Dan Kimmel wrote:
> "Rudy Canoza" <pipes@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> Carl wrote:
>
>>>> You are merely making excuses for Israel's regular *lack* of
>>>> pro****tionality in response, as well as its frequent "pre-emptive"
>>>> aggressive strikes.
>>>>
>>> In stating this you are actually acknowledging that Israel has to
> frequently
>>> respond to attacks on it (ie. when you say "regular lack of
>>> pro****tionality").
>> Israel bombing a Syrian nuclear installation was not in response to an
>> attack on Israel. Israel launching an all-out war of aggression
against
>> Lebanon, in response to relative pin-prick Hezbollah rocket attacks on
>> Israel, was indeed a grotesque lack of pro****tionality.
>
> You make my case for me.
Nope.
> A country allowing a terrorist group free rein to fire missiles into
another
> country, and to stage raids into the other country's territory in order
to
> kidnap hostagees, is an act of *war* by any definition.
You're a liar. Lebanon did not "allow" that to happen. Lebanon is
virtually a "failed state", and the government of Lebanon did not
exercise control over Hezbollah.
Why do you Zionist Jews have to lie at every op****tunity?
>
> Only idiots and Israelbashers think Israel should have been
"pro****tional"
> in response. When you are a tiny country under attack for your very
> existence, you fight back and let the OTHER side worry about
> "pro****tionality."
Israel launched a war of aggression against all Lebanon. They did not
target Hezbollah. They destroyed much of Lebanese infrastructure. It
was criminally dispro****tionate. In a just world, the U.S. would have
obliterated Israel for what they did to Lebanon.
>>
>>> That by itself is absurd enough. Instead of speaking to
>>> its attackers and saying, "You make Israel regularly defend itself",
you
>>> criticize it for its "regular lack of pro****tionality". And you don't
> see
>>> Dan's point about Israel not being entitled to defend itself?
>> Kimmel's "point" is bull****; a complete straw man.
>
> In fact, it's right on the money, as your increasingly lame responses
> demonstrate.
Your point is bull****. The UN has never expressed any "feeling", let
alone any policy statement, that Israel does not have the right to
defend itself.
You lied.
>>> Geez. You ARE
>>> part of the problem, the reason he feels that way.
>> Kimmel feels the way he does because he is a fanatical Zionist Jew who
>> sup****ts Israel at the expense of America's legitimate interests.
>
> Sooner or later you antisemites
Cut the bull****, kimmie. You are a disloyal Zionist Jew who puts the
interests of Israel - because you feel Israel's existence is an
intrinsic part of Jewish identity - above America's interest.
It is not "anti-semitic" - a meaningless slur, now - to observe your
dual loyalty and to comment on it.
>
>>> Pre-emptive strikes are often the only way to defend a territory as
> small as
>>> Israel.
>> Israel launches pre-emptive strikes without having demonstrated a
>> legitimate threat.
>
> Only to pinheads like you. In your mind the Arab armies massing to
destroy
> Israel in '48 and '67 and '73 wouldn't have "demonstrated a legitimate
> threat."
We're not talking about Israel's response to invasions, liar. We're
talking about Israeli *pre-emptive* attacks on other countries whose
militaries are *not* massed on Israel's borders.
>>> If armies mass on her borders,
>> There have been no armies massed on Israel's borders in 35 years, but
>> there frequently have been outrageous Israeli attacks outside its
>> borders, aimed at civilian populations.
>
> No, you lie yet again.
No, I'm not. You are the liar here. You lied about the UN "feeling"
that Israel does not have a right to defend itself.
> There have been terrorist attacks from thugs hiding
> among civilians outside Israel's borders, knowing that useful idiots
like
> you would never criticize Hamas or Hezbollah, but will rush to condemn
> Israel for fighting back.
Israel is rightly condemned for being a terrorist *state* that
indiscriminately destroys entire neighborhoods.
>> I don't have any reason to care about Arab or Iranian antipathy toward
>> Israel any more than I care about Kurdish or Armenian antipathy toward
>> Turkey. But ardent Zionist Jews like Lieberman and Kimmel demand that
>> America pay special attention to Israel; that we accept all Israeli
>> claims about "threats" at face value; and that we champion Israeli
>> interests even when those interests conflict with America's own
interest.
>
> You pile one lie on another.
Nope. I expose your lies.
> Clearly you have a problem with Jews speaking
> out as much as with Israel defending itself.
I have no problem with Jews speaking out. I have a big problem with the
dual loyalty - disloyalty to America - of many American Jews.
> Are you accepting Saudi money
> like Jimmy Carter, or do you lie about Israel as a freelance bigot?
I do not lie about Israel; neither does Carter.
Why do you put Israel's interest ahead of America's?
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