Re: Ya gotta be yidding me!

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Godzilla Pimp <me7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> Godzilla Pimp <me7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> Godzilla Pimp <me7@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> <billimmelman@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> The schmucks are touting trash like Marvel and Starbucks as if
they 
>>>>>>> were going to lead us out of our economy. When gas hits $6.00 a 
>>>>>>> gallon maybe we will get serious about hydrogen based fuels.
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>>>>>> Hydrogen is NOT a source of enegey but merely a very bad way of 
>>>>>> STORING energy.
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>>>>> It aint bad when its produced using a nuke.
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>>>> Hydrogen is horrible to store.
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>>> Wrong, its just not as easy to store as gasoline which is unusually
easy 
>>> to store.
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>>>> Nature never uses it.
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>>> Irrelevant.
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>>>> It combines it with carbon to vastly increase its density.
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>>> Utterly mangled.
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>>>> It should be possible to use N power to produce propane
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>>> Which isnt much easier to store than hydrogen and is much worse
>>> on what is produced when its used as a trans****t fuel, particularly
>>> in the CO2 that produces. Hydrogen leaves that for dead.
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>>>> and octane.
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>>> Yes, you can make anything but its a lot more efficient to produce 
>>> hydrogen.
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>>>>> Thats the only trans****t fuel that produces no CO2 at all and the> 
>>>>> power station doesnt either.
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>>>> Nothing wrong with CO2.
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>>> Wrong, thats the most dramatic effect of the industrial revolution on 
>>> the atmosphere.
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>>>> Besides, manufacturing hydrocarbon fuels would consume CO2 and just 
>>>> release it when it is burned. No net increase.
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>>> Pity that whats produced when the hydrogen is 'burned'
>>> is just water, which is MUCH better for the environment.
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>> You silly person.
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> You terminal ****wit.
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>> Propane can be stored as a slightly compressed liquid at room temp.
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> In practice, when used as a trans****t fuel, it doesnt matter much
whether 
> its
> slightly compressed liquid or has to be stored in a different way with 
> hydrogen.
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>> Millions of people have a tank of it sitting in their yards. Hydrogen
is 
>> a nightmare to store. Ask NASA.
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> No thanks, there is quite a bit of use of hydrogen in vehicles already.
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> Even if NASA cant manage to deal with it effectively.
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>> It must be massively cooled or massively compressed.
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> There aint just those two alternatives either.
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>> Even as a gas it's a problem because it leaks out of standard
pipelines.
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> So you use non standard pipelines, stupid.
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>> Octane is an ideal mobile fuel because it's a liquid at 1 atmosphere
and 
>> can therefore be easily pumped and it can be va****ized easily.
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> What I said above in different words.
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> It does have some real downsides tho, most obviously the CO2 produced
when 
> its used.

I give up. There's no point in arguing with an idiot.