Topaz wrote:
> On 4 Aug 2006 22:33:30 -0700, "laraine" <lariadc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>
> >In your story,
> >you seem to be suggesting that because 'whites'
> >have invented all kinds of technological wonders,
>
> They did.
>
> >we should not feel so bad about the enslavement
> >of Africans,
>
> Where in my post was anything like that?
>
Your post was essentially a quote of an
article by James Bronson, who seems to
be an 18-year-old activist(?)
Bronson:
Teacher implies we should feel bad about it.
George, after listening to Clarence the 'angel,'
says that teacher is a devil.
> > and the fact that millions of them were
> >trans****ted from their culture to other parts of
> >the globe, for example.
>
>
> Blacks and Jews Newspage
> http://www.blacksandjews.com/
>
> The following Jews were known dealers, owners, ****ppers or sup****ters
> of
> the slave trade and of the enslavement of Black African citizens in
> early New York history.
>
> Issack Asher
> Jacob Barsimson
> Joseph Bueno
> Solomon Myers Cohen
> Jacob Fonseca
> Aberham Franckfort
> Jacob Franks
> Daniel Gomez
> David Gomez
> Isaac Gomez
> Lewis Gomez
> Mordecai Gomez
> Rebekah Gomez
> Ephraim Hart
> Judah Hays
> Harmon Hendricks
> Uriah Hendricks
> Uriah Hyam
> Abraham Isaacs
> Joshua Isaacs
> Samuel Jacobs
> Benjamin S. Judah
> Cary Judah
> Elizabeth Judah
> Arthur Levy
> Eleazar Levy
> Hayman Levy
> Isaac H. Levy
> Jacob Levy
> Joseph Israel Levy
> Joshua Levy
> Moses Levy
> Uriah Phillips Levy
> Isaac R. Marques
> Moses Michaels
> (E)Manuel Myers
> Seixas Nathan
> Simon Nathan
> Rodrigo Pacheco
> David Pardo
> Isaac Pinheiro
> Rachel Pinto
> Morris Jacob Raphall
> Abraham Sarzedas
> Moses Seixas
> Solomon Simpson
> Nathan Simson
> Simja De Torres
> Benjamin Wolf
> Alexander Zuntz
>
Is that it? There are millions of slaves, and you
can only list a handful of Jewish people involved
with slavery? Not too convincing.
> Jewish Role in Slavery: Quotes from Jewish historians
> Moshe Kahan stated bluntly that in 1653-1658, "Jewish-Marrano
> merchants were in control of the Spanish and ****tuguese [slave] trade,
> were almost in control of the Levantine trade...were interested in the
> Dutch East and West Indian companies, were heavily involved in
> ****pping; and, most im****tant, had at their disposal large amounts of
> capital."
> Lee M. Friedman, a one-time president of the American Jewish
> Historical Society, wrote that in Brazil, where most of the Africans
> actually went, "the bulk of the slave trade was in the hands of Jewish
> settlers."
> Herbert I. Bloom wrote that "the slave trade was one of the most
> im****tant Jewish activities here (in Surinam) as elsewhere in the
> colonies." He even published a 1707 list of Jewish buyers by name with
> the number of Black humans they purchased.
> Cecil Roth, writer of 30 books and hundreds of articles on Jewish
> history, wrote that the slave revolts in parts of South America "were
> largely directed against [Jews] as being the greatest slave-holders of
> the region."
> Seymour B. Liebman in his New World Jewry, made it clear that "[t]he
> ****ps were not only owned by Jews, but were manned by Jewish crews and
> sailed under the command of Jewish captains."
> In Brazil, where most black slaves were sent, Jewish scholar Arnold
> Wiznitzer is most explicit about Jewish involvement:
> "Besides their im****tant position in the sugar industry and in tax
> farming, [Jews] dominated the slave trade. From 1636 to 1645 a total
> of 23,163 Negro slaves arrived from Africa and were sold for 6,714,423
> florins. The West India Company, which monopolized im****ts of slaves
> from Africa, sold slaves at public auctions against cash payment. It
> happened that cash was mostly in the hands of Jews. The buyers who
> appeared at the auctions were almost always Jews, and because of this
> lack of competitors they could buy slaves at low prices. On the other
> hand, there also was no competition in the selling of the slaves to
> the plantation owners and other buyers, and most of them purchased on
> credit payable at the next harvest in sugar. Profits up to 300 percent
> of the purchase value were often realized with high interest
> rates....If it happened that the date of such an auction fell on a
> Jewish holiday the auction had to be postponed. This occurred on
> Friday, October 21, 1644."
>
I looked up a few of these names; they are not
generally specialists in Jewish history, and some
of the books date from the 30's. So you pick out
one or a few sentences of a book-- what's in the
other couple hundred pages of these books? For
all you know, you could be missing the whole
context of the information.
> > I'm sorry about that reality,
> >and I don't enjoy hearing about it myself, but it is
> >a reality, and we can't just deny it. Slavery within
> >Africa itself was not so widespread, except for
> >within ancient Egypt (which for some reason you argue
> >is 'white.'--think you have to admit that Egyptians
> >are often brownish, anyway, and many of their
> >ancient statues represent people with brownish
> >skins.)
>
>
> "Queen Hetop-Heres II, of the Fourth Dynasty, the daughter of Cheops,
> the builder of the great pyramid, is shown in the colored bas reliefs
> of her tomb to have been a distinct blonde. Her hair is painted a
> bright yellow stippled with little red horizontal lines, and her skin
> is white."
>
> Coon, Carleton Stevens. The Races of Europe. New York City, Macmillan.
> 1939, p.98
>
> The tomb of the wife of Zoser, the builder of the first pyramid in
> Egypt, has a painting of her showing her with reddish-blond hair.
>
> Heyerdahl, Thor, The Ra Expeditions, Garden City, Doubleday, 1971,
> p.249
>
> The mummy of Rameses II has yellow hair.
>
> Egypt: Land of the Pharaohs, Time-Life books, Alexandria, VA 1992 p.8
>
> "A funerary mask with the attributes of the goddess Isis shows a
> vivid blue-green color of eyes.
[snip of similar material]
>
> The information above is part of the information compiled by
> Phillip Bonner and was printed in The Barnes Review, 130 Third Street,
> SE, Wa****ngton, D.C. 20003
>
I've only heard a little about it, but my
understanding was that a Pharoah kept
what amounted to a harem, so it seems that
wives could have been brought from afar;
therefore, it wouldn't be too surprising to me
if their coloring and the coloring of their
children differed slightly from the norm.
Also, I don't think we can judge by the
coloring of a goddess, which could be
fantastical.
You will find this article about Egyptian
hair interesting--
<http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/hair2.html>
Quote from the article:
As one scholar put it: "The most common hair colour,
then as now, was a very dark brown, almost black
colour although natural auburn and even rather
surprisingly blonde hair are also to be found."
> >
> >Here is an interesting quote I found--I will research more:
> >"...the evidence from cases of cross-racial adoption
> >suggests that the average IQs of blacks reared by
> >and among whites is no different from that of whites"
> >("Genome," by Matt Ridley, p. 86)
>
> "Scientist" who spout such PC are liberals first and scientists
> second.
>
Matt Ridley has a Doctorate in zoology from
University of Oxford in England, and I have seen
one reference to him as a libertarian, though I
don't know the details.
>
> The former White nations and Japan are the first world. The Black
> nations and India are the third world. In the middle, or the second
> world are the Arabs and China.
Because you say so? Implicit in all this
is that a high IQ is the only trait that makes a
person superior to others.
>It is just as racialists would predict.
> It is because the White race is on average much more intelligent than
> the Black race. The people in Japan are much lighter in color than the
> people in India.
>
> All IQ tests have proven that Whites are on average much more
> intelligent than Blacks. White people invented just about everything
> im****tant. Most leftists admit that Whites on average score higher on
> the tests. They have their excuses for it, but all of their excuses
> are demolished in "My Awakening" by David Duke.
Oh, that sounds like a neutral source.
>Here is an example:
>
> "One of the most powerful direct studies of race and environment
> was conducted by psychologists Sandra Scarr, Richard Weinberg and I.
> D. Waldman. All three were quite well-known for their environmental
> opinions. The study analyzed White, Black, and Mixed-race adopted
> children in more than 100 White families in Minnesota. The study was
> an egalitarian's dream, because the children's adoptive parents had
> prestigious levels of income and education and were anti-racist enough
> to adopt a Black child into their own family. Scarr is a strong
> defender of racial equality and maintained that environment played an
> almost exclusive role in IQ differences between the races. Scarr
> sup****ts the im****tance of heredity in causing individual differences
> within a race, but she has argued that between-race differences are
> mostly environmental.
>
> The children in the study included Whites, Blacks, and Mulattos as
> well as the biological children of the White adoptive couples. At the
> age of 7, the children were tested for IQ, and all of the groups
> including the Blacks and Mulattos, scored above average in IQ. Scarr
> and Weinberg published a paper claiming to have proven the almost
> exclusive power of environment over race in IQ, even though they had
> to admit that the White children, whether adopted or not, scored well
> above the Black and Mulatto children and that the Mulatto children
> scored above the Blacks. (88)
>
> A decade later, when the children reached the age of 17, a
> follow-up study was conducted that that again included IQ
> measurements. As they matured, Black children had dropped back to an
> average of 89 in IQ, which is the average IQ for Blacks in the region
> of the United States where the study was done. The White adopted
> children scored an average of 106 in IQ, 17 points higher than the
> Black children, which is consistant with traditional studies of Black
> and White IQ differences. In line with genetic theory the half-White,
> half-Black Mulatto adopted children scored almost exactly between the
> adopted Whites and Blacks. (89)
>
> RESULTS OF MINNESOTA TRANSRACIAL ADOPTION STUDY
>
> IQ
>
> Parental IQ 115.35
> Biological Children 109.4
> White Adopted children 105.6
> Mulatto parents adopted children 98.5
> Black parents adopted children 89.4
>
> Scarr and Wienberg reluctantly published their data from the
> follow up survey, but they waited close to four years to do so, almost
> as if they were embarrassed by what they had found. Through a tortured
> reasoning process, they still argued that environment played a
> dominant role in IQ. But in their follow-up survey, unlike their first
> paper, they also admitted that genes had an im****tant impact as well.
> Both Richard Lynn and Michael Levin effectively showed in their
> re-analysis of Scarr's own data, that genes clearly comprise the
> dominant role in intelligence levels of those adopted children. (90)
> (91)"
>
> (88) Scarr, S, & Weinberg R. A. (1976). IQ Test Perfomance of Black
> Children Adopted By White Families. American Psychologist. Vol. 31.
> p.26-739
>
> (89) Weinberg, R. A. , Scarr, S., & Waldman, I. D. (1992). The
> Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study. A Follow-Up of IQ Test
> Performance at Adolescence, Intelligence. Vol 16.
> p.17-135
>
> (90) Lynn, R. (1994). Reinterpretations Of The Minnesota Transracial
> Adoption Study. Intelligence. Vol. 19. p.1-27
>
> (91) Levin, M. (1994). Comment on The Minnesota Transracial Adoption
> Study. Intelligence Vol. 19. p.3-20
>
> >
Well, as I said, I'd have to research more,
and I'm guessing that there have been
articles that express other viewpoints.
C. (laraine)
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