On Apr 13, 9:12=A0am, You <y...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> =A0jerry <GeraldCNew...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 10, 8:40=A0am, You <y...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > =A0jerry <GeraldCNew...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > The refinery is about 30 years old and has many old welds that
> > > > received some severe shock waves. =A0Did any of the welds crack?
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> > > > question looms. =A0The North Pole Highschool is a very short
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> > > > from the refinery. =A0There is no defelection barrier between the
> > > > refinery and the school. =A0What would have happened it the
refinery=
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> > > > exploded from the sonic booms? =A0Not a nice question is it?
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> > > and a Jet Engine could fall out of the sky, and squish your
Clapboard
> > > Shack, too...... but the actual probabilities of ANY of those things
> > > happening is very low......... Are you a Charter Subscriber to "BAD
> > > LIVING MAGAZINE"? =A0Sure sounds like it.....
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> > "you" you sound like a real novice when it comes to risk analysis.
> > I have worked in the petroleum industry for some time. =A0Welds do
crack=
> > and they do have a maximum life. =A0Severe sonic booms that vibrate
> > cooling towers could have an adverse effect on 30 year old welds.
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> > what tipped me off on this was the Air Force telling me that they had
> > received complaints from the North Pole Refinery.
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> > I have experienced earthquakes that caused much less structural
> > movement. =A0Probability has little to do with this, since the 40 or
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> > sonic booms did cause severe vibrations.
> > Additionally, the refinery has many insulated lines making a visual
> > inspection of welds impossible without removing the insulation.
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> > Also, the instrumentation sensors could have been affected causing
> > shutdowns, etc. =A0It would not surprise me if they did have a
shutdown
> > because of the vibrations. =A0This might have also caused the trans-
> > Alaska pipeline to shut down and remote gate valves to close.
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> > me when I tell you these systems have enough problems without the Air
> > Force adding to them. =A0There have been strange anomalies in times
> > past. =A0Put it this way, I did work for Alyeska for some time and
> > witnessed some unexplained events.
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> Jerry, your an Idiot! =A0You use words like "could" all through your BS.
> Yes things "could" happen. That doesn't mean that they WILL happen,
> even DID happen, or are likely to have happened. =A0If the Refinery
> Welding was done properly, even 30 years later, it should NOT be
> Cracking, assuming that the Piping Sup****t was Engineer properly,
> in the first place. =A0This is all very well understood, and very mature
> Technology, were talking here, and you are NOT qualified by Education,
> or Experience, to make judgments on Welding Metallurgy, or the
> Mechanical Engineering of Piping Sup****t Structure Vibration Stress
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You, I don't have to defend my credentials or experience to someone
that is so afraid to use their own name. But here is a little
information for you to chew on since you are so determined to
discredit my original post.
The aircraft producing the sonic booms were not in existence when the
trans-Alaska pipeline or the North Pole refinery was designed and
built. So how could they be designed to withstand these types of
sonic booms? This question is so obvious I am surprised that your
brilliant mind did not catch it.
Also, the fire and explosion a Pump station 8, was partly caused to a
break in the weld made where the mainline pipeline met the Pump 8 48
inch pipe. Because of repairs to this weld the electrical power was
disconnected to the incoming 48 inch battery valve so the valve could
not be closed from Valdez after the fire started and had to be hand
closed. This took 42 minutes during which time the crude oil flowed
through an open hatch in the pump room while the fire continued to
burn out of control. Welds do crack and break from fatigue. Inside
of pipes corrode continuously. Many pump station pipes have been
found so thin that they have been replaced or taken out of
commission. This information was given to me by some long time
employees of Alyeska that have since retired.
Remote Gate Valves are controlled through communications by microwave
radio systems. The microwave dishes are on towers and when these
towers are moved as done with a sonic boom the signal sees a glitch
that could cause Gate Valves to malfunction. Again I say could
because these systems have not been tested or designed to withstand
sonic booms from unknown aircraft since the aircraft were not in
existence at the time of the original design. The bottom line is why
subject these systems to extraordinary stresses when the outcome is
not known?
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