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Re: Obama Texas Caucus Fraud - if this is true Obama is in deep ****!

by mordacpreventor@[EMAIL PROTECTED] May 5, 2008 at 09:52 AM

On May 4, 1:09=A0am, "Operation Chaos!" <truthmong...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 4, 1:12 am, blue_collar_worker <GeraldCNew...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > I know this information is jarring, and puts DNC delegates in an
> > uncomfortable situation, but if the time comes for delegates to
> > endorse or get behind a consensus candidate, this information should
> > be available. As I wrote to Rep. Capps, I apologize for not
> > illuminating this earlier.
>
> > My observations in Texas were that caucuses were broadly illegitimate.
> > In a few well-run counties, Hillary's caucus vote was the same or
> > better than the popular vote, but in chaotic counties, she fell behind
> > by double digits. While Texas is the only state to have both a binding
> > popular vote and a caucus vote, we saw similar results in Wa****ngton
> > State, where Obama's numbers plunged in the unofficial primary
> > compared to the caucuses .
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> > This stands out: only four major Texas counties were orderly enough to
> > re****t most of their caucus results election night, and in three of
> > these, caucus preference mirrored the popular vote (HRC popular/
> > caucus): El Paso (69/75), Austin/Travis (37/34), San Antonio/Bexar
> > (56/57). In the case of Austin, I have read re****ts that that both
> > sides ran their caucuses well.
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> > These counties had exceptional organizations, but it should not take
> > heroics to run a fair election.
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> > On election night in El Paso, it became obvious that the Obama field
> > campaign was designed to steal caucuses. Prior to that, it was
> > impossible for me to imagine the level of attempted fraud and
> > disruption we would see. It was far worse than any GOP campaign I have
> > organized against on the Central Coast, worse than Tom Bordonaro's,
> > worse than Andrea Seastrand's, worse than the Dole campaign whose
> > sup****ters vandalized our headquarters.
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> > We saw stolen precincts where Obama organizers fabricated counts, made
> > false entries on sign-in sheets, suppressed delegate counts, and
> > suppressed caucus voters. We saw patterns such as missing electronic
> > access code sheets and precinct packets taken before the legal time,
> > like elsewhere in the state. Obama volunteers illegally took
> > convention materials state-wide, with attempts as early as 6:30 am.
> > Some of this was presented in a press release from Clinton Campaign
> > Counsel Lyn Utrecht, but I witnessed worse than what she disclosed.
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> > In one example of fraud that I witnessed, one of my precinct captains,
> > an elderly Hispanic woman, called me to re****t that BHO sup****ters had
> > illegally seized control of the convention. During our series of phone
> > calls, Mrs. "A." re****ted that the Obama people took the convention
> > materials and did not have a legal election of officers. Like nearly
> > all of El Paso, BHO people would have lost such an election in this
> > majority-Hillary, Hispanic, mostly elderly precinct convention.
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> > The Obama people ordered Mrs. A. to sit across the room during the
> > delegate calculation, and excluded Hillary sup****ters from the
> > process. Mrs. A. overheard an Obama sup****ter call in a false delegate
> > count to Austin. In a 13 delegate precinct where Obama should have won
> > approximately 4 delegates, the Obama sup****ters attempted to award 19
> > delegates to Obama. This was not innocent. During my attempts at cell
> > phone diplomacy, the Obama "chair" hung up on me, and refused to talk
> > to the ethical Obama organizer I was paired with at another precinct
> > convention. As with all major attempts at fraud that we identified,
> > this delegate count was rectified in private at the county TDP
> > headquarters, according to TDP rules, but there were no public charges
> > or sanctions. It is my opinion that people should be in jail, but
> > there is not a mechanism for this sort of prosecution, certainly not
> > within TDP rules.
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> > Although I have only volunteered in one state, virtually every Clinton
> > staffer I have talked to has similar stories from other caucus states.
> > While the Hillary field campaign operates and feels very much like
> > typical Democratic campaigns, the Obama campaign is something new to
> > Democratic politics. From my perspective, it looks like it has copied
> > the worst attributes of Republican campaigns, but with unprecedented
> > zeal.
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> > Ironically, only in very well-organized areas like El Paso were we
> > able to even identify the scale of the attempted irregularities. In
> > these areas, we were also able to rebuff most attempts at fraud,
> > correct fraudulent delegate counts, and protect our voters. In less
> > well-organized areas, we did not have enough eyes and ears to identify
> > or stop fraud, and our numbers plunged.
>
> > Although affidavits have not been made public, I have copies and
> > records of the voter complaints for which I did interviews. Although
> > the Hillary campaign has not gone public with evidence of fraud, the
> > national legal team has approximately 200 such affidavits and 2000
> > voter complaints. The campaign intends to win the popular vote without
> > airing these charges in public, but I suspect the campaign will
> > provide authorities with this evidence upon request.
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> > My own sense is that this information should not be withheld from
> > delegates, since it both casts the Obama campaign as stunningly
> > unethical, and it severely undermines the general credibility of
> > caucuses. It also points out that perception and reality are upside
> > down. The campaign that will "do anything to win," including the
> > illegal acts do***ented in affidavits, is not Hillary's.
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> > In fact, I was as proud of the integrity and transparency of the
> > Hillary campaign in Texas as I was of the Capps and Clinton/Gore
> > campaigns of the 1990s.
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> > I would be happy to share records in my position with appropriate
> > authorities.
>
> > It is true that elements of the Obama campaign appeal to our better
> > angels, but, in the moment of truth when the Obama campaign echoed
> > Republican Tom Bordonaro's, I made the personal decision that Sen.
> > Obama cannot be our nominee.
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> > I am positive that any Democrat who witnessed what I did would stand
> > against Sen. Obama now, and I have faith that some endorsements like
> > Rep. Capps's are tem****ary. This is wrenching for a Democratic
> > activist like me who has served on county and Assembly District
> > committees, but I cannot sup****t a candidate with a criminal campaign.
>
> > Here at MyDD, I'll try to make time to answer factual questions
>
> > First, why did I keep quiet? I followed the campaign's guidance to
> > resolve these issues behind closed doors. There were a few elements of
> > this: the campaign's first concern was make as many corrections to the
> > delegate count as possible within TDP rules, in TDP offices. Once the
> > deed was done, an orderly audit benefited our side, and pu****ng these
> > charges in the press would have created a circus (a la Florida) that
> > would have shut down the process of verifying sign in sheets and
> > delegate calculations.
> > Second, why no re****ting? Because the press did not seek to
> > investigate this, even though the Clinton campaign published the
> > linked press release that we had evidence of widespread illegalities.
> > I called a re****ter from the El Paso Times who did not return my call.
> > Also, this did not get pushed in the press after the initial press
> > release because the TX Hillary campaign chose to trust the process and
> > grind out the delegate count. Since the TDP is run by people who
> > sup****t both campaigns, there would have been a serious lose of face
> > to air these charges, and would have strained the professional
> > relation****ps between all in the campaigns and in the party. In the
> > specific case of El Paso, I am told Chair Danny Anchondo did not want
> > to humiliate leading Obama-sup****ting Democrats who he will have to
> > live with for years to come.
>
> > Third, how did a minority faction override the majority? In the end,
> > they did not. We had the best field operation I have ever seen, and in
> > most cases, had a few trained people in each precinct. I should add,
> > our organization was so overwhelming, the Obama campaign abandoned
> > their precinct captain program about a week before the election,
> > placing their bets on an election-day blitz by out of state
> > organizers. We were also transparent, and included people with ties to
> > the Obama campaign in our caucus training program. We knew that an
> > orderly process favored Hillary. We would not have known about Mrs.
> > A's precinct if we did not have trained people in the room. So, we
> > were able to over-turn problems like Mrs A's precinct after the fact.
> > How did the Obama organizers seize the convention in the first place?
> > By intimidation, by physically controlling the legal do***ents, and by
> > ignoring the legal process that called for an election of officers.
> > They took the convention package and never let go of it.
>
> > from:http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/5/2/22818/72392
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> This story should get out more!-

You should get out more for believing this claptrap.
 




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Obama Texas Caucus Fraud - if this is true Obama is in deep shi
blue_collar_worker <Ge  2008-05-03 22:12:37 
Re: Obama Texas Caucus Fraud - if this is true Obama is in deep
Jan Flora <snowshoe@[E  2008-05-03 23:14:03 
Re: Obama Texas Caucus Fraud - if this is true Obama is in deep
"Operation Chaos!&qu  2008-05-04 01:09:44 
Re: Obama Texas Caucus Fraud - if this is true Obama is in deep
"Lamont Cranston&quo  2008-05-05 08:41:16 
Re: Obama Texas Caucus Fraud - if this is true Obama is in deep
mordacpreventor@[EMAIL PR  2008-05-05 09:52:26 
Re: Obama Texas Caucus Fraud - if this is true Obama is in deep
Scotius <yodasbud@[EMA  2008-05-25 23:39:58 
Re: Obama Texas Caucus Fraud - if this is true Obama is in deep
Scotius <yodasbud@[EMA  2008-05-25 23:50:59 

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