Re: Reality and the mind numbed in the UK BBC bull****

On 1 Dec 2004 11:14:46 -0800
  mikhail_bear@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Mikhail Medved) wrote:
> "Vsevolod" <karbonit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:57:30 +0200
>>   Viktor Vashkevich <division_bell_2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > On 30 Nov 2004, "Vsevolod" <karbonit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:22:48 +0000 (UTC)
>> >>  Const Okrainets <ocra@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>> Yuriy Shalak <yuras68@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>>> Const Okrainets wrote:
>> >>>> > Yuriy Shalak <yuras68@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 1 Dec 2004 11:14:46 -0800
  mikhail_bear@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Mikhail Medved) wrote:
> "Vsevolod" <karbonit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> news:<web-109158259@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
>> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:57:30 +0200
>>   Viktor Vashkevich <division_bell_2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > On 30 Nov 2004, "Vsevolod" <karbonit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:22:48 +0000 (UTC)
>> >>  Const Okrainets <ocra@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>> Yuriy Shalak <yuras68@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>>> Const Okrainets wrote:
>> >>>> > Yuriy Shalak <yuras68@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>>> >> ÷ÏÔ ËÏÇÄÁ ÎÁÕÞÉÔÅÓØ ÄÅÌÁÔØ ×Ù×ÏÄÙ ÉÚ ÖÉÚÎÉ, Á ÎÅ ÉÚ ÆÁÎÔÁÚÉÊ
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>> >>>> > É ÐÏ äÏÎÂÁÓÓÕ ÎÁÄÏ ÐÒÏÅÈÁÔØÓÑ ËÁÔËÏÍ.
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>> >>>> ÞÉÓÌÏ ÌÀÄÅÊ ×ÏÌÎÕÅÔ ÎÁÇÌÏÓÔØ É ÂÅÓÐÁÒÄÏÎÎÏÓÔØ.
>> >>>
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>> >> ïÔÄÅÌÅÎÉÑ ÎÅ ÂÕÄÅÔ - ÓÅÊÞÁÓ ÎÅ 91Ê ÇÏÄ
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 >>>> "Magnus Paterson" <mjp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 >>>> news:cohasp$fmb$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 >>>>
 >>>>>>> Bit like your claim that Bell was American when he invented the
 >>>>>>> telephone.
 >>>>>>
 >>>>>>     Oh my God... Where had he been living for most of his life at
 >>>>>> that point BUTTMUCH?????
 >>>>>
 >>>>> 1847-1870 in the UK
 >>>>> 1870-71 in Quebec
 >>>>> 1871-76 (when he invented the telephone) in the US.
 >>>>
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  mikhail_bear@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 (Mikhail Medved) wrote:
> "Vsevolod" <karbonit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:57:30 +0200
>>   Viktor Vashkevich <division_bell_2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > On 30 Nov 2004, "Vsevolod" <karbonit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:22:48 +0000 (UTC)
>> >>  Const Okrainets <ocra@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>> Yuriy Shalak <yuras68@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>>> Const Okrainets wrote:
>> >>>> > Yuriy Shalak <yuras68@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>>> >> ÷ÏÔ ËÏÇÄÁ ÎÁÕÞÉÔÅÓØ ÄÅÌÁÔØ ×Ù×ÏÄÙ ÉÚ ÖÉÚÎÉ, Á ÎÅ ÉÚ ÆÁÎÔÁÚÉÊ
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>> >>>> > É ÐÏ äÏÎÂÁÓÓÕ ÎÁÄÏ ÐÒÏÅÈÁÔØÓÑ ËÁÔËÏÍ.
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 >>>>> So  the answer is that he'd lived most of his life in
 >>>>> the UK when he invented the telephone.
 >>>>
 >>>> 1876 He invented the phone. Had been in America for years.
 >>>
 >>> 5 years. That's not 'most of his life' as you claimed above.
 >>
 >>
 >> Did he DIE the day he invented the telephone? Did he not a few years
 >> later become a full American citizen? Had he NOT applied for
 >> permanent residence in the US??

 MP> Did you not ASK where he HAD been LIVING MOST of his LIFE
 MP> at the POINT that he INVENTED the Telephone?

 MP> Jeez; it's catching.


On 1 Dec 2004 11:14:46 -0800
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 (Mikhail Medved) wrote:
> "Vsevolod" <karbonit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
> news:<web-109158259@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
>> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 18:57:30 +0200
>>   Viktor Vashkevich <division_bell_2000@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > On 30 Nov 2004, "Vsevolod" <karbonit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Tue, 30 Nov 2004 04:22:48 +0000 (UTC)
>> >>  Const Okrainets <ocra@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>> Yuriy Shalak <yuras68@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >>>> Const Okrainets wrote:
>> >>>> > Yuriy Shalak <yuras68@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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