On Oct 12, 7:11 pm, Diogenes <cdho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:41:26 -0700, "Altan Loker (real name)"
>
> <allo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >I heard about the problem of "Armenian genocide" for the first time at
> >age 26 when I went to US. This fact alone shows that there is no
> >hostility between Armenians and Turks in Turkey.
>
> So nobody in Turkey speaks of the Armenian Genocide, therefore it did
> not happen? Here is an alternative explanation for you to ponder,
> Altan:
>
> Associated Press, 11 Oct 2007
>
> ISTANBUL, Turkey - The son of a journalist killed earlier this year
> after calling the massacre of Armenians genocide was convicted
> Thursday of insulting Turkey's identity for republi****ng his father's
> remarks.
>
> Arat Dink, editor of the Armenian newspaper Agos, and publisher Serkis
> Seropyan each received a one-year suspended sentence for "insulting
> Turkishness," said their lawyer, Erdal Dogan. He said they would
> appeal the sentences.
>
> >I went to the public library in New York and looked at a few magazines
> >published in the1920s. If I remember correctly, it was in New Statesman
> >that I read about a joint session of US Congress dealing with the
Armenian
> >genocide allegation.
>
> If you wish to base your version of history on an article you think
> you read in a magazine published in the 1920's, be my guest. However
> the link below will provide the op****tunity to enhance your historical
> knowledge very easily. The source is, of course, the U.S. Ambassador
> to Turkey at the time of the genocide.
>
> http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/morgenthau/Morgen24.htm
>
> I presume you will contend that Ambassador Morgenthau was just a
> willing tool of the "vast Armenian conspiracy" to discredit the
> Turkish government of 1916.
>
> Santayana wrote that "Those who refuse to learn from history are
> condemned to relive it."
>
> And those who deny the reality of history render themselves>incapable<
of learning from it, so their destiny to relive the worst
>
> episodes in their history becomes a self-inflicted wound. Does the
> Turkish word "kismet" have any relevance here?
>
> ----
> Diogenes (cdho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
>
> The wars are long, the peace is frail
> The madmen come again . . . .
So far, Armenians said Turks did this and that, and Turks said
Armenians did this and that, and both sides rejected the accusations.
No solution of the problem is reached in this way and cannot be
reached. But you are continuing to do the same thing and thinking that
I am doing the same thing too. You are not understanding what I mean.
The problem can be solved only if all parties involved open their
archives to investigation. But Armenians do not open their archives
and do not accept objective investigation. Even this undeniable and
non-denied fact can be seen as a proof of the fact that the Armenians
were the guilty party. But I still do not claim that I proved anything
by saying that. The solution can be reached only through the honest
examination of the do***ents in the archives.
Similarly, I do not claim that I proved anything by telling about the
discussion of the problem in the US Congress in 1920s, as you think I
do. I mentioned that event to mean that the Congressmen of that time
had a better chance of knowing the truth compared to the Congressmen
of today, because live re****ts from eyewitness, such as American
missionaries working in the area, were available in 1920s.
I also mentioned an undeniable present-day proof of the fact that the
present-day Congressmen are likely to approach the problem with the
aim of securing undeserved political gains. A present-day Senator who
was sup****ting the Armenian thesis stopped doing that when the
President told him that he was harming US interests. He explained this
change in his attitude by saying that he was an American before being
a politician. This is an admission of the fact that he had sup****ted
the Armenians to secure political gains in complete disregard of the
interests of his country. A man like this cannot be assumed to have
behaved with the aim of helping the Armenians. He was using them to
secure political gains just as many Western diplomats used the
Armenians of the Ottoman Empire for their own benefit and thereby
caused much suffering to them and to Turks. In fact, many politicians
of many countries are still using the Armenians for personal profit.
They are trying to attract the votes of the children of the Armenians
they claim were killed by the Turks. This is absolutely ridiculous.
In a general way, I tried, and I am still trying, to draw attention to
what is ignored by all parties. Turks are not guilty of having
committed genocide. There are still Armenians living in piece in
Turkey. I pass everyday by a large Armenian hospital on one of the
main streets of Istanbul, the Republic Street. There has never been
any sign of hostility against that institution or against Armenians
who use it or Armenians who did not commit crimes against Turks and
Turkey. Where is the genocide? An Armenian journalist, H rant Dink,
was killed recently by an underage fanatic, but huge Turkish crowds
protested it carrying banners reading "We all are H rant Dinks." Where
is the genocide? In opposition to this, more than 60 innocent Turkish
diplomats have been murdered by Armenians all over the world long
after the events of Eastern Turkey. No Armenian protested. Was this
not the continuation of the true Armenian genocide?
Turks are not guilty of having committed genocide, but they are guilty
of not admitting that Armenians committed that crime against the Turks
with the help of foreign powers, as I explained in a previous post. By
admitting that truth, the Turks can help Armenians to free themselves
from the obsessive compulsive behavior caused by an imagined event of
genocide, which keeps harming their interests. This is also the only
way the Turks can solve their Armenian problem. Armenians can free
themselves from their schizophrenic inclinations by not allowing
others to use them and by abstaining from using them. Succeeding in
using, controlling the environment is a good remedy against
schizophrenia, but the way Armenians use Western diplomats is
inseparable from being used by them. This aggravates their
schizophrenic disorder. I relate below an undeniable and non-denied
fact of recent past which exposes the truth which the Turks really
deny.
Armenians invited a Turkish mayor to Erivan, the capital of Armenia,
expecting to hear from him what they would like to hear, because they
knew him. They got what they wanted. The mayor talked about peace,
good neighbor relations, cooperation, etc., and said: "We don't want
to butcher you anymore." In reality, both parents of that major were
savagely butchered by the Armenians although they had done nothing to
hurt them. They were killed in accordance with the Armenian strategy
suggested by the policies of foreign powers, according to which
Armenians would declare their own state in Eastern Turkey after they
become the majority by committing genocide against the Turks. The
behavior of this mayor is similar to the behavior of children who say
to each other: "My father can beat your father, or has beaten him."
Many Turks share this childish attitude, because they are extremely
right-brained like children, as I explained in another post, and
abstain from admitting their failures. Left-brained Turks too do not
admit being subjected to genocide by the Armenians because most Turks
would not like such an admission. As I mentioned above, I say what has
not been said before, hoping that the facts I expose will be taken
into consideration in future investigations. I don't claim having
solved the problem of Armenian genocide in these posts.
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