On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:51:53 -0700, Ali Asker <pasa_asker@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>On 13 Oct, 06:42, "Altan Loker (real name)" <allo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>wrote:
>> On Oct 12, 7:11 pm, Diogenes <cdho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:41:26 -0700, "Altan Loker (real name)"
>>
>> > <allo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> > >I heard about the problem of "Armenian genocide" for the first time
at
>> > >age 26 when I went to US. This fact alone shows that there is no
>> > >hostility between Armenians and Turks in Turkey.
>>
>> > So nobody in Turkey speaks of the Armenian Genocide, therefore it did
>> > not happen? Here is an alternative explanation for you to ponder,
>> > Altan:
>>
>> > Associated Press, 11 Oct 2007
>>
>> > ISTANBUL, Turkey - The son of a journalist killed earlier this year
>> > after calling the massacre of Armenians genocide was convicted
>> > Thursday of insulting Turkey's identity for republi****ng his father's
>> > remarks.
>>
>> > Arat Dink, editor of the Armenian newspaper Agos, and publisher
Serkis
>> > Seropyan each received a one-year suspended sentence for "insulting
>> > Turkishness," said their lawyer, Erdal Dogan. He said they would
>> > appeal the sentences.
>>
>> > >I went to the public library in New York and looked at a few
magazines
>> > >published in the1920s. If I remember correctly, it was in New
Statesman
>> > >that I read about a joint session of US Congress dealing with the
Armenian
>> > >genocide allegation.
>>
>> > If you wish to base your version of history on an article you think
>> > you read in a magazine published in the 1920's, be my guest. However
>> > the link below will provide the op****tunity to enhance your
historical
>> > knowledge very easily. The source is, of course, the U.S. Ambassador
>> > to Turkey at the time of the genocide.
>>
>> >http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/morgenthau/Morgen24.htm
>>
>> > I presume you will contend that Ambassador Morgenthau was just a
>> > willing tool of the "vast Armenian conspiracy" to discredit the
>> > Turkish government of 1916.
>>
>> > Santayana wrote that "Those who refuse to learn from history are
>> > condemned to relive it."
>>
>> > And those who deny the reality of history render
themselves>incapable< of learning from it, so their destiny to relive the
worst
>>
>> > episodes in their history becomes a self-inflicted wound. Does the
>> > Turkish word "kismet" have any relevance here?
>>
>> > ----
>> > Diogenes (cdho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
>>
>> > The wars are long, the peace is frail
>> > The madmen come again . . . .
>>
>> So far, Armenians said Turks did this and that, and Turks said
>> Armenians did this and that, and both sides rejected the accusations.
>> No solution of the problem is reached in this way and cannot be
>> reached. But you are continuing to do the same thing and thinking that
>> I am doing the same thing too. You are not understanding what I mean.
>> The problem can be solved only if all parties involved open their
>> archives to investigation. But Armenians do not open their archives
>> and do not accept objective investigation. Even this undeniable and
>> non-denied fact can be seen as a proof of the fact that the Armenians
>> were the guilty party. But I still do not claim that I proved anything
>> by saying that. The solution can be reached only through the honest
>> examination of the do***ents in the archives.
>
>
>Only the turks need to examine the archives. The countries who
>recognise the Armenian massacre as genocide did not just decided this
>through their ars. Every single country went trou series examination
>of the all available archives. Turks have opened their archives only
>few years ago which most of the do***ents are tempered with. Instead
>of old original ottoman do***ent turks have brand new so called
>do***ents which all in turkish language (we know the fact that
>ottomans did not use turkish at all)..
>
>>
>> Similarly, I do not claim that I proved anything by telling about the
>> discussion of the problem in the US Congress in 1920s, as you think I
>> do. I mentioned that event to mean that the Congressmen of that time
>> had a better chance of knowing the truth compared to the Congressmen
>> of today, because live re****ts from eyewitness, such as American
>> missionaries working in the area, were available in 1920s.
>>
>> I also mentioned an undeniable present-day proof of the fact that the
>> present-day Congressmen are likely to approach the problem with the
>> aim of securing undeserved political gains. A present-day Senator who
>> was sup****ting the Armenian thesis stopped doing that when the
>> President told him that he was harming US interests. He explained this
>> change in his attitude by saying that he was an American before being
>> a politician. This is an admission of the fact that he had sup****ted
>> the Armenians to secure political gains in complete disregard of the
>> interests of his country. A man like this cannot be assumed to have
>> behaved with the aim of helping the Armenians. He was using them to
>> secure political gains just as many Western diplomats used the
>> Armenians of the Ottoman Empire for their own benefit and thereby
>> caused much suffering to them and to Turks. In fact, many politicians
>> of many countries are still using the Armenians for personal profit.
>> They are trying to attract the votes of the children of the Armenians
>> they claim were killed by the Turks. This is absolutely ridiculous.
>
>Most of the countries who recognise the Armenian massacre as genocide
>don't have a single Armenian in their country.
>
>>
>> In a general way, I tried, and I am still trying, to draw attention to
>> what is ignored by all parties. Turks are not guilty of having
>> committed genocide. There are still Armenians living in piece in
>> Turkey. I pass everyday by a large Armenian hospital on one of the
>> main streets of Istanbul, the Republic Street. There has never been
>> any sign of hostility against that institution or against Armenians
>> who use it or Armenians who did not commit crimes against Turks and
>> Turkey. Where is the genocide? An Armenian journalist, H rant Dink,
>> was killed recently by an underage fanatic, but huge Turkish crowds
>> protested it carrying banners reading "We all are H rant Dinks." Where
>> is the genocide? In opposition to this, more than 60 innocent Turkish
>> diplomats have been murdered by Armenians all over the world long
>> after the events of Eastern Turkey. No Armenian protested. Was this
>> not the continuation of the true Armenian genocide?
>
>So, your man who in a bright day light killed the Armenian journalist
>was just a underage fanatic (which it has been proved that he only
>pulled the trigger but people who really employed him were the state
>of turkey itself) but the killing of the turkish diplomats were
>continuation of the genocide against the turk? Some ****ing single
>minded and brain washed two faced turkish bastard that you are. Read
>the news article below it was on all over the turkish papers
>yesterday.
>
>
>Hate in Turkey growing rapidly. Pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party
>building in the Turkish capital of Ankara fired at by an individual
>and after his captured the local police released him because the
>attacker was a nationalist Turk. Few days ago five Kurdish
>municipalities in the Kurdistan region was arrested by using extreme
>force by the army officers.
>
>
>Turkish Islamist Party (AKP)'s parliament member Ismail Goksel from
>Nigde who participated the dead soldier's funeral threatened the Pro-
>Kurdish DTP and the USA. He said Turkish nation would find and destroy
>in their home
>anyone who sup****ts the Kurds. He said "No one shall manage the split
>Turkey and who ever try this then turks will crushed them even they
>are in the white house"
>
>
>Head of the municipality Ismet Yilmaz called the Pro-Kurdish DTP MP's
>as Armenian bastards and asked why the authorities letting them speak
>in turkey while the turks have elected them! Another Islamic
>municipality leader said
>Turks should cut the tongues of the Pro-Kurdish MP's.
>
>
>During the prayer, the imam of the crowed gave a speech before the
>funeral he said, "Allah may let the people give appropriate lessons to
>these Armenian BASTARDS". The Islamist MP Goksel said the imam told
>exactly what
>he also thinks.
>
>
>Briefly translated from Ajansa Nuceyan a Firat (ANF)
>
>
>http://www.firatnews.eu/
>
>
>
>>
>> Turks are not guilty of having committed genocide, but they are guilty
>> of not admitting that Armenians committed that crime against the Turks
>> with the help of foreign powers, as I explained in a previous post. By
>> admitting that truth, the Turks can help Armenians to free themselves
>> from the obsessive compulsive behavior caused by an imagined event of
>> genocide, which keeps harming their interests. This is also the only
>> way the Turks can solve their Armenian problem. Armenians can free
>> themselves from their schizophrenic inclinations by not allowing
>> others to use them and by abstaining from using them. Succeeding in
>> using, controlling the environment is a good remedy against
>> schizophrenia, but the way Armenians use Western diplomats is
>> inseparable from being used by them. This aggravates their
>> schizophrenic disorder.
>
>****en turkish piece of ****. It is not really your fault nut ****en
>your states mentality that every turk adapt where insulting every
>single nation become common and natural things for the turks.
>According to you sick bastard Kurds does not even exist in Turkey.
>People who are fighting against the turkish state are according to
>your sick mentality just Armenian bastards nothing else. Who is the
>schizophrenia you turkish son of a *****. Do your country called
>turkey did it not killed at least 200,000 kurdish civilians, exiled 4
>million Kurds, burned 3 thousands of kurdish villages and destroyed
>many acres of kurdish forests and animal stock in just 20 years and
>still continues.
>
>> I relate below an undeniable and non-denied
>> fact of recent past which exposes the truth which the Turks really
>> deny.
>>
>> Armenians invited a Turkish mayor to Erivan, the capital of Armenia,
>> expecting to hear from him what they would like to hear, because they
>> knew him. They got what they wanted. The mayor talked about peace,
>> good neighbor relations, cooperation, etc., and said: "We don't want
>> to butcher you anymore." In reality, both parents of that major were
>> savagely butchered by the Armenians although they had done nothing to
>> hurt them. They were killed in accordance with the Armenian strategy
>> suggested by the policies of foreign powers, according to which
>> Armenians would declare their own state in Eastern Turkey after they
>> become the majority by committing genocide against the Turks. The
>> behavior of this mayor is similar to the behavior of children who say
>> to each other: "My father can beat your father, or has beaten him."
>> Many Turks share this childish attitude, because they are extremely
>> right-brained like children, as I explained in another post, and
>> abstain from admitting their failures. Left-brained Turks too do not
>> admit being subjected to genocide by the Armenians because most Turks
>> would not like such an admission. As I mentioned above, I say what has
>> not been said before, hoping that the facts I expose will be taken
>> into consideration in future investigations. I don't claim having
>> solved the problem of Armenian genocide in these posts.- Hide quoted
text -
>
>Keep on posting turk so that everyone can see your ****ing sick
>mentality over and over again...
We both agree on the reality of the Armenian Genocide, Ali, but
personal name-calling does not add substance to this conversation.
----
Diogenes (cdhoran@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
The wars are long, the peace is frail
The madmen come again . . . .
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