On 13 Oct, 17:38, Diogenes <cdho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Oct 2007 02:51:53 -0700, Ali Asker <pasa_as...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
> >On 13 Oct, 06:42, "Altan Loker (real name)" <allo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >wrote:
> >> On Oct 12, 7:11 pm, Diogenes <cdho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> >> > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:41:26 -0700, "Altan Loker (real name)"
>
> >> > <allo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >> > >I heard about the problem of "Armenian genocide" for the first
time at
> >> > >age 26 when I went to US. This fact alone shows that there is no
> >> > >hostility between Armenians and Turks in Turkey.
>
> >> > So nobody in Turkey speaks of the Armenian Genocide, therefore it
did
> >> > not happen? Here is an alternative explanation for you to ponder,
> >> > Altan:
>
> >> > Associated Press, 11 Oct 2007
>
> >> > ISTANBUL, Turkey - The son of a journalist killed earlier this year
> >> > after calling the massacre of Armenians genocide was convicted
> >> > Thursday of insulting Turkey's identity for republi****ng his
father's
> >> > remarks.
>
> >> > Arat Dink, editor of the Armenian newspaper Agos, and publisher
Serkis
> >> > Seropyan each received a one-year suspended sentence for "insulting
> >> > Turkishness," said their lawyer, Erdal Dogan. He said they would
> >> > appeal the sentences.
>
> >> > >I went to the public library in New York and looked at a few
magazines
> >> > >published in the1920s. If I remember correctly, it was in New
Statesman
> >> > >that I read about a joint session of US Congress dealing with the
Armenian
> >> > >genocide allegation.
>
> >> > If you wish to base your version of history on an article you think
> >> > you read in a magazine published in the 1920's, be my guest.
However
> >> > the link below will provide the op****tunity to enhance your
historical
> >> > knowledge very easily. The source is, of course, the U.S.
Ambassador
> >> > to Turkey at the time of the genocide.
>
> >> >http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/morgenthau/Morgen24.htm
>
> >> > I presume you will contend that Ambassador Morgenthau was just a
> >> > willing tool of the "vast Armenian conspiracy" to discredit the
> >> > Turkish government of 1916.
>
> >> > Santayana wrote that "Those who refuse to learn from history are
> >> > condemned to relive it."
>
> >> > And those who deny the reality of history render
themselves>incapable< of learning from it, so their destiny to relive the
worst
>
> >> > episodes in their history becomes a self-inflicted wound. Does the
> >> > Turkish word "kismet" have any relevance here?
>
> >> > ----
> >> > Diogenes (cdho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
>
> >> > The wars are long, the peace is frail
> >> > The madmen come again . . . .
>
> >> So far, Armenians said Turks did this and that, and Turks said
> >> Armenians did this and that, and both sides rejected the accusations.
> >> No solution of the problem is reached in this way and cannot be
> >> reached. But you are continuing to do the same thing and thinking
that
> >> I am doing the same thing too. You are not understanding what I mean.
> >> The problem can be solved only if all parties involved open their
> >> archives to investigation. But Armenians do not open their archives
> >> and do not accept objective investigation. Even this undeniable and
> >> non-denied fact can be seen as a proof of the fact that the Armenians
> >> were the guilty party. But I still do not claim that I proved
anything
> >> by saying that. The solution can be reached only through the honest
> >> examination of the do***ents in the archives.
>
> >Only the turks need to examine the archives. The countries who
> >recognise the Armenian massacre as genocide did not just decided this
> >through their ars. Every single country went trou series examination
> >of the all available archives. Turks have opened their archives only
> >few years ago which most of the do***ents are tempered with. Instead
> >of old original ottoman do***ent turks have brand new so called
> >do***ents which all in turkish language (we know the fact that
> >ottomans did not use turkish at all)..
>
> >> Similarly, I do not claim that I proved anything by telling about the
> >> discussion of the problem in the US Congress in 1920s, as you think I
> >> do. I mentioned that event to mean that the Congressmen of that time
> >> had a better chance of knowing the truth compared to the Congressmen
> >> of today, because live re****ts from eyewitness, such as American
> >> missionaries working in the area, were available in 1920s.
>
> >> I also mentioned an undeniable present-day proof of the fact that the
> >> present-day Congressmen are likely to approach the problem with the
> >> aim of securing undeserved political gains. A present-day Senator who
> >> was sup****ting the Armenian thesis stopped doing that when the
> >> President told him that he was harming US interests. He explained
this
> >> change in his attitude by saying that he was an American before being
> >> a politician. This is an admission of the fact that he had sup****ted
> >> the Armenians to secure political gains in complete disregard of the
> >> interests of his country. A man like this cannot be assumed to have
> >> behaved with the aim of helping the Armenians. He was using them to
> >> secure political gains just as many Western diplomats used the
> >> Armenians of the Ottoman Empire for their own benefit and thereby
> >> caused much suffering to them and to Turks. In fact, many politicians
> >> of many countries are still using the Armenians for personal profit.
> >> They are trying to attract the votes of the children of the Armenians
> >> they claim were killed by the Turks. This is absolutely ridiculous.
>
> >Most of the countries who recognise the Armenian massacre as genocide
> >don't have a single Armenian in their country.
>
> >> In a general way, I tried, and I am still trying, to draw attention
to
> >> what is ignored by all parties. Turks are not guilty of having
> >> committed genocide. There are still Armenians living in piece in
> >> Turkey. I pass everyday by a large Armenian hospital on one of the
> >> main streets of Istanbul, the Republic Street. There has never been
> >> any sign of hostility against that institution or against Armenians
> >> who use it or Armenians who did not commit crimes against Turks and
> >> Turkey. Where is the genocide? An Armenian journalist, H rant Dink,
> >> was killed recently by an underage fanatic, but huge Turkish crowds
> >> protested it carrying banners reading "We all are H rant Dinks."
Where
> >> is the genocide? In opposition to this, more than 60 innocent Turkish
> >> diplomats have been murdered by Armenians all over the world long
> >> after the events of Eastern Turkey. No Armenian protested. Was this
> >> not the continuation of the true Armenian genocide?
>
> >So, your man who in a bright day light killed the Armenian journalist
> >was just a underage fanatic (which it has been proved that he only
> >pulled the trigger but people who really employed him were the state
> >of turkey itself) but the killing of the turkish diplomats were
> >continuation of the genocide against the turk? Some ****ing single
> >minded and brain washed two faced turkish bastard that you are. Read
> >the news article below it was on all over the turkish papers
> >yesterday.
>
> >Hate in Turkey growing rapidly. Pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party
> >building in the Turkish capital of Ankara fired at by an individual
> >and after his captured the local police released him because the
> >attacker was a nationalist Turk. Few days ago five Kurdish
> >municipalities in the Kurdistan region was arrested by using extreme
> >force by the army officers.
>
> >Turkish Islamist Party (AKP)'s parliament member Ismail Goksel from
> >Nigde who participated the dead soldier's funeral threatened the Pro-
> >Kurdish DTP and the USA. He said Turkish nation would find and destroy
> >in their home
> >anyone who sup****ts the Kurds. He said "No one shall manage the split
> >Turkey and who ever try this then turks will crushed them even they
> >are in the white house"
>
> >Head of the municipality Ismet Yilmaz called the Pro-Kurdish DTP MP's
> >as Armenian bastards and asked why the authorities letting them speak
> >in turkey while the turks have elected them! Another Islamic
> >municipality leader said
> >Turks should cut the tongues of the Pro-Kurdish MP's.
>
> >During the prayer, the imam of the crowed gave a speech before the
> >funeral he said, "Allah may let the people give appropriate lessons to
> >these Armenian BASTARDS". The Islamist MP Goksel said the imam told
> >exactly what
> >he also thinks.
>
> >Briefly translated from Ajansa Nuceyan a Firat (ANF)
>
> >http://www.firatnews.eu/
>
> >> Turks are not guilty of having committed genocide, but they are
guilty
> >> of not admitting that Armenians committed that crime against the
Turks
> >> with the help of foreign powers, as I explained in a previous post.
By
> >> admitting that truth, the Turks can help Armenians to free themselves
> >> from the obsessive compulsive behavior caused by an imagined event of
> >> genocide, which keeps harming their interests. This is also the only
> >> way the Turks can solve their Armenian problem. Armenians can free
> >> themselves from their schizophrenic inclinations by not allowing
> >> others to use them and by abstaining from using them. Succeeding in
> >> using, controlling the environment is a good remedy against
> >> schizophrenia, but the way Armenians use Western diplomats is
> >> inseparable from being used by them. This aggravates their
> >> schizophrenic disorder.
>
> >****en turkish piece of ****. It is not really your fault nut ****en
> >your states mentality that every turk adapt where insulting every
> >single nation become common and natural things for the turks.
> >According to you sick bastard Kurds does not even exist in Turkey.
> >People who are fighting against the turkish state are according to
> >your sick mentality just Armenian bastards nothing else. Who is the
> >schizophrenia you turkish son of a *****. Do your country called
> >turkey did it not killed at least 200,000 kurdish civilians, exiled 4
> >million Kurds, burned 3 thousands of kurdish villages and destroyed
> >many acres of kurdish forests and animal stock in just 20 years and
> >still continues.
>
> >> I relate below an undeniable and non-denied
> >> fact of recent past which exposes the truth which the Turks really
> >> deny.
>
> >> Armenians invited a Turkish mayor to Erivan, the capital of Armenia,
> >> expecting to hear from him what they would like to hear, because they
> >> knew him. They got what they wanted. The mayor talked about peace,
> >> good neighbor relations, cooperation, etc., and said: "We don't want
> >> to butcher you anymore." In reality, both parents of that major were
> >> savagely butchered by the Armenians although they had done nothing to
> >> hurt them. They were killed in accordance with the Armenian strategy
> >> suggested by the policies of foreign powers, according to which
> >> Armenians would declare their own state in Eastern Turkey after they
> >> become the majority by committing genocide against the Turks. The
> >> behavior of this mayor is similar to the behavior of children who say
> >> to each other: "My father can beat your father, or has beaten him."
> >> Many Turks share this childish attitude, because they are extremely
> >> right-brained like children, as I explained in another post, and
> >> abstain from admitting their failures. Left-brained Turks too do not
> >> admit being subjected to genocide by the Armenians because most Turks
> >> would not like such an admission. As I mentioned above, I say what
has
> >> not been said before, hoping that the facts I expose will be taken
> >> into consideration in future investigations. I don't claim having
> >> solved the problem of Armenian genocide in these posts.- Hide quoted
text -
>
> >Keep on posting turk so that everyone can see your ****ing sick
> >mentality over and over again...
>
> We both agree on the reality of the Armenian Genocide, Ali, but
> personal name-calling does not add substance to this conversation.
I know it is not civilized and it is not right but after years of
experience with dealing the turks I found this is the only effective
method against the turks. I don't know if you ever sat with a turk and
discussed anything serious they act totally dumb even the subject
about their history (past and present).
>
> ----
> Diogenes (cdho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
)
>
> The wars are long, the peace is frail
> The madmen come again . . . .
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