On Oct 13, 12:51 pm, Ali Asker <pasa_as...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On 13 Oct, 06:42, "Altan Loker (real name)" <allo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Oct 12, 7:11 pm, Diogenes <cdho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Fri, 12 Oct 2007 02:41:26 -0700, "Altan Loker (real name)"
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> > > <allo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > >I heard about the problem of "Armenian genocide" for the first time
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> > > >age 26 when I went to US. This fact alone shows that there is no
> > > >hostility between Armenians and Turks in Turkey.
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> > > So nobody in Turkey speaks of the Armenian Genocide, therefore it
did
> > > not happen? Here is an alternative explanation for you to ponder,
> > > Altan:
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> > > Associated Press, 11 Oct 2007
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> > > ISTANBUL, Turkey - The son of a journalist killed earlier this year
> > > after calling the massacre of Armenians genocide was convicted
> > > Thursday of insulting Turkey's identity for republi****ng his
father's
> > > remarks.
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> > > Arat Dink, editor of the Armenian newspaper Agos, and publisher
Serkis
> > > Seropyan each received a one-year suspended sentence for "insulting
> > > Turkishness," said their lawyer, Erdal Dogan. He said they would
> > > appeal the sentences.
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> > > >I went to the public library in New York and looked at a few
magazin=
es
> > > >published in the1920s. If I remember correctly, it was in New
States=
man
> > > >that I read about a joint session of US Congress dealing with the
Ar=
menian
> > > >genocide allegation.
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> > > If you wish to base your version of history on an article you think
> > > you read in a magazine published in the 1920's, be my guest. However
> > > the link below will provide the op****tunity to enhance your
historical
> > > knowledge very easily. The source is, of course, the U.S. Ambassador
> > > to Turkey at the time of the genocide.
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> > >http://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/morgenthau/Morgen24.htm
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> > > I presume you will contend that Ambassador Morgenthau was just a
> > > willing tool of the "vast Armenian conspiracy" to discredit the
> > > Turkish government of 1916.
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> > > Santayana wrote that "Those who refuse to learn from history are
> > > condemned to relive it."
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> > > And those who deny the reality of history render
themselves>incapable=
< of learning from it, so their destiny to relive the worst
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> > > episodes in their history becomes a self-inflicted wound. Does the
> > > Turkish word "kismet" have any relevance here?
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> > > Diogenes (cdho...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > The wars are long, the peace is frail
> > > The madmen come again . . . .
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> > So far, Armenians said Turks did this and that, and Turks said
> > Armenians did this and that, and both sides rejected the accusations.
> > No solution of the problem is reached in this way and cannot be
> > reached. But you are continuing to do the same thing and thinking that
> > I am doing the same thing too. You are not understanding what I mean.
> > The problem can be solved only if all parties involved open their
> > archives to investigation. But Armenians do not open their archives
> > and do not accept objective investigation. Even this undeniable and
> > non-denied fact can be seen as a proof of the fact that the Armenians
> > were the guilty party. But I still do not claim that I proved anything
> > by saying that. The solution can be reached only through the honest
> > examination of the do***ents in the archives.
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> Only the turks need to examine the archives. The countries who
> recognise the Armenian massacre as genocide did not just decided this
> through their ars. Every single country went trou series examination
> of the all available archives. Turks have opened their archives only
> few years ago which most of the do***ents are tempered with. Instead
> of old original ottoman do***ent turks have brand new so called
> do***ents which all in turkish language (we know the fact that
> ottomans did not use turkish at all)..
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> > Similarly, I do not claim that I proved anything by telling about the
> > discussion of the problem in the US Congress in 1920s, as you think I
> > do. I mentioned that event to mean that the Congressmen of that time
> > had a better chance of knowing the truth compared to the Congressmen
> > of today, because live re****ts from eyewitness, such as American
> > missionaries working in the area, were available in 1920s.
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> > I also mentioned an undeniable present-day proof of the fact that the
> > present-day Congressmen are likely to approach the problem with the
> > aim of securing undeserved political gains. A present-day Senator who
> > was sup****ting the Armenian thesis stopped doing that when the
> > President told him that he was harming US interests. He explained this
> > change in his attitude by saying that he was an American before being
> > a politician. This is an admission of the fact that he had sup****ted
> > the Armenians to secure political gains in complete disregard of the
> > interests of his country. A man like this cannot be assumed to have
> > behaved with the aim of helping the Armenians. He was using them to
> > secure political gains just as many Western diplomats used the
> > Armenians of the Ottoman Empire for their own benefit and thereby
> > caused much suffering to them and to Turks. In fact, many politicians
> > of many countries are still using the Armenians for personal profit.
> > They are trying to attract the votes of the children of the Armenians
> > they claim were killed by the Turks. This is absolutely ridiculous.
>
> Most of the countries who recognise the Armenian massacre as genocide
> don't have a single Armenian in their country.
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> > In a general way, I tried, and I am still trying, to draw attention to
> > what is ignored by all parties. Turks are not guilty of having
> > committed genocide. There are still Armenians living in piece in
> > Turkey. I pass everyday by a large Armenian hospital on one of the
> > main streets of Istanbul, the Republic Street. There has never been
> > any sign of hostility against that institution or against Armenians
> > who use it or Armenians who did not commit crimes against Turks and
> > Turkey. Where is the genocide? An Armenian journalist, H rant Dink,
> > was killed recently by an underage fanatic, but huge Turkish crowds
> > protested it carrying banners reading "We all are H rant Dinks." Where
> > is the genocide? In opposition to this, more than 60 innocent Turkish
> > diplomats have been murdered by Armenians all over the world long
> > after the events of Eastern Turkey. No Armenian protested. Was this
> > not the continuation of the true Armenian genocide?
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> So, your man who in a bright day light killed the Armenian journalist
> was just a underage fanatic (which it has been proved that he only
> pulled the trigger but people who really employed him were the state
> of turkey itself) but the killing of the turkish diplomats were
> continuation of the genocide against the turk? Some ****ing single
> minded and brain washed two faced turkish bastard that you are. Read
> the news article below it was on all over the turkish papers
> yesterday.
>
> Hate in Turkey growing rapidly. Pro-Kurdish Democratic Society Party
> building in the Turkish capital of Ankara fired at by an individual
> and after his captured the local police released him because the
> attacker was a nationalist Turk. Few days ago five Kurdish
> municipalities in the Kurdistan region was arrested by using extreme
> force by the army officers.
>
> Turkish Islamist Party (AKP)'s parliament member Ismail Goksel from
> Nigde who participated the dead soldier's funeral threatened the Pro-
> Kurdish DTP and the USA. He said Turkish nation would find and destroy
> in their home
> anyone who sup****ts the Kurds. He said "No one shall manage the split
> Turkey and who ever try this then turks will crushed them even they
> are in the white house"
>
> Head of the municipality Ismet Yilmaz called the Pro-Kurdish DTP MP's
> as Armenian bastards and asked why the authorities letting them speak
> in turkey while the turks have elected them! Another Islamic
> municipality leader said
> Turks should cut the tongues of the Pro-Kurdish MP's.
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> During the prayer, the imam of the crowed gave a speech before the
> funeral he said, "Allah may let the people give appropriate lessons to
> these Armenian BASTARDS". The Islamist MP Goksel said the imam told
> exactly what
> he also thinks.
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> Briefly translated from Ajansa Nuceyan a Firat (ANF)
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> http://www.firatnews.eu/
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> > Turks are not guilty of having committed genocide, but they are guilty
> > of not admitting that Armenians committed that crime against the Turks
> > with the help of foreign powers, as I explained in a previous post. By
> > admitting that truth, the Turks can help Armenians to free themselves
> > from the obsessive compulsive behavior caused by an imagined event of
> > genocide, which keeps harming their interests. This is also the only
> > way the Turks can solve their Armenian problem. Armenians can free
> > themselves from their schizophrenic inclinations by not allowing
> > others to use them and by abstaining from using them. Succeeding in
> > using, controlling the environment is a good remedy against
> > schizophrenia, but the way Armenians use Western diplomats is
> > inseparable from being used by them. This aggravates their
> > schizophrenic disorder.
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> ****en turkish piece of ****. It is not really your fault nut ****en
> your states mentality that every turk adapt where insulting every
> single nation become common and natural things for the turks.
> According to you sick bastard Kurds does not even exist in Turkey.
> People who are fighting against the turkish state are according to
> your sick mentality just Armenian bastards nothing else. Who is the
> schizophrenia you turkish son of a *****. Do your country called
> turkey did it not killed at least 200,000 kurdish civilians, exiled 4
> million Kurds, burned 3 thousands of kurdish villages and destroyed
> many acres of kurdish forests and animal stock in just 20 years and
> still continues.
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> > I relate below an undeniable and non-denied
> > fact of recent past which exposes the truth which the Turks really
> > deny.
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> > Armenians invited a Turkish mayor to Erivan, the capital of Armenia,
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When you talk about countries where there is not a S NGLE Armenian,
you are evidently lying. You have to keep lying to sup****t the lie of
genocide. Besides, even in such a country politicians can try to
attract the votes of their non-Armenian citezens by sup****ting a wide-
spread lie and thereby looking like they have humanitarian purposes.
But the best proof of the fact that the most active sup****ters of the
Armenians are the politicians of the countries with the largest
Armenian populations,such as France and USA. I mentioned that a US
Senator who was leading the sup****ters of the Armenians admitted that
he was after political gains. You ignore all facts that I expose. You
are dishonest.
You claim that the politicians who sup****t the Armenians have examined
the events. This too is a lie. Those politicians shape their arguments
to fit their political purposes and base them on lies invented by the
Armenians and those who sup****t them for various personal reasons.
Also, Armenians are incomparably more active than Turks in telling to
the world what happened, because Armenians are controlled by obsessive-
compulsive and schizophrenic symptoms, which distort the truth.
Consequently, many people are mislead by Armenian propaganda.
You claim that a whole nation cannot be accused of suffering from
mental disorder. This view is a consequence of ignorence. For example,
after the collapse of the Soviet regime, the Russian health minister
declared that two thirds of Russian men were schizophrenic. The reason
was that the communist regime had controlled the private lives of the
people very closely. Of course, all disorders have degrees of
severity. The politicians of many counries have used, abused,
controlled the Armenians of Turkey for political gains, and they
continue to do the same thing. An Erivan newspaper wrote this clearly
in relation to sup****t of the Armenian thesis in the French
parliament. I mentioned this, but you choose to ignore all facts that
I expose and continue to produce distortions of the facts.
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