"Ty" <tbeardSPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Unknown Usenet Poster" <yryryryr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Your view illustrates why things are the way they are in the Middle
East.
> At
>> the end of WWII, Jews from Europe simply barged in, took over Arab land
> and
>> declared Israel a state.
>
> Where do you get your historical knowledge -- from a Cracker Jacks box?
>
> Jews have lived in the region for thousands of years. The current mess
> that
> is the Middle East is the fault of the British, Arabs and the UN. And of
> course, of the pathologies of Islam.
>
This sounds like a Stuart Wilksian classic obfuscation. Some Jews lived in
the area. The Jews in question lived in Europe for hundreds, if not
thousands of years. They only decided Israel was the promised land when
all
the non-Jews (not just Hitler's pals) decided it was time for them to die.
Up until the 1930's and 40's most EuroJews couldn't care less about
Israel.
Baghdad has a small Christian population. How do you thing Saddma's
Sunni's
would appreciate it if all the Christians in Italy, Spain, Poland and
elsewhere decided to move to Baghdad?
The British had no right to give away other people's lands. That makes
Israel even more illegitimate.
> In a nutshell, here's what happened:
>
> 1. The Ottomans lost control of the region after WWI.
>
> 2. The League of Nations gave the British the region and mandated that
> they
> create a *Jewish* homeland there (there were many Jews already there so
> the
> implication that all of the Jews are newcomers is false).
>
> 3. In the interwar years the Brits vacillated, allowing Jewish
immigration
> from Germany and other parts of Europe and at other times prohibiting
it.
> They also ceded the Golan Heights to French Syria (and forcibly removed
> Jews
> living there).
>
> 4. After WWII, the Brits threw the ball over the fence. They first
defined
> 77% of the Mandate as Jordan and set it aside for the Arabs (note that
no
> one seems to complain that the Brits violated the League of Nations
> Mandate
> by doing this and giving 77% of the land to the Arabs).
>
> 5. Then, the Brits dropped the entire mess into the UN's lap, recognized
> Israel as a nation and went home.
>
> 6. The UN passed nonbinding General Assembly Resolution 181, which
> recommended the partition of land west of the Jordan River into "a
Jewish
> state" and "an Arab state." The Jewish state was to comprise
approximately
> 60 percent of the land, including the Negev Desert, while the Arab state
> would be comprised mainly of the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Jerusalem
would
> be a free city. Israel agreed to this resolution.
>
> 7. The Arabs (including Palestinians) rejected it and attacked Israel
with
> the stated intention of wiping Israel out. As tensions increased, some
> 630,000 Palestinian refugees voluntarily left Israel (despite Israeli
> assurances that nothing would happen to them). Arab powers cynically
> encouraged this exodus for reasons that I can't explain.
>
> 8. The Arabs lost the war, then decided that they liked 181 after all.
The
> Israelis rather reasonably rejected their position and refused to allow
> the
> ~550,000 Palestinians to return to Israel, citing security concerns (I
> think
> there were only about 900,000 Jews in Israel and allowing 550,000
hostile
> Arabs back in would be a terrible decision given that the Arab
leader****p
> were still calling for the destruction of Israel and there was no peace
> treaty between the Arabs and Israel).
>
> 9. 820,000 Jewish refugees were produced by the 1948 war, and all were
> resettled in Israel or other nations. The 550,000 Palestinians were
moved
> into refugee camps and denied settlement by their Arab "brothers" who
> professed so much concern for them -- though they were willing to use
the
> Palestinians as cheap labor. Now, most of the 2.5 million or so
> Palestinians
> that want to "return" to Israel are descendants of these folks and have
> never lived in Israel.
>
> 10. The Jordanians controlled the West Bank and the Egyptians controlled
> Gaza until their devastating defeat in the 1967 War (Arab armies massed
on
> Israel's border with the stated intent of wiping Israel out; Israel
struck
> first -- perfectly legal under international law -- and routed the
Arabs).
> Suddenly, the Arabs decided that there needed to be a Palestinian state.
> It
> is also interesting to note that neither Egypt nor Jordan appears to
have
> allowed the Palestinian refugees to settle in Gaza or the West Bank...
>
> A couple of additional relevant factoids:
>
> -Very little of the financial aid received by the PLO, from the US and
> other
> countries, appears to have been directed at the refugee camps.
>
> -It also appears that many of the Palestinians are relative latecomers
to
> the region, being descendants of Egyptian, Sudanese, Syrian and Lebanese
> migrants, who settled in the current boundaries of Israel during
> 1830-1945.
> So the assumed fact that the land has long been Palestinian may not be
> correct in many cases.
>
> -The facts suggest that "Palestine" is nothing more than a post-1967
> creation of cynical Arabs to exacerbate tensions with Israel:
>
> 1. Between 1948-1967, Jordan and Egypt, who governed the West Bank and
> Gaza,
> respectively, never offered to surrender those lands to form an
> independent
> Palestinian state.
>
> 2. During that period, no Palestinian organization ever sought an
> independent state.
>
> 3. No Arab country had even suggested its existence.
>
> 4. The late Zoher Moessein, head of PLO bureau of military operations
was
> uncharacteristically honest about the *real* purpose of a separate
> Palestinian State:
>
> "There is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians and Lebanese;
we
> are all members of the same nation. Solely for political reasons are we
> careful to stress our identity as Palestinians. Since a separate State
of
> Palestine would be an extra weapon in Arab hands to fight Zionism with.
> Yes,
> we do call for the creation of a Palestinian state for tactical reasons.
> Such a state would be a new means of continuing the battle against
> Zionism,
> and for Arab unity."
>
> I think that this pretty convincingly demonstrates that "Independent
> Palestine" is a post-1967 fiction created by Arabs and mindlessly
accepted
> by their sup****ters.
>
>> Now I know you're gonna claim that the Bible says it's Jew-land but
>> unfortunately, Arabs and Muslims don't put much faith in the Bible.
>
> <yawn>
>
> You really need to learn about the topic before making an idiot of
> yourself.
>
>> You can sit back with your moronic argument that Israel is just
>> responding
>> to terrorist acts but the truth is, the Jews started the whole mess. If
> you
>> wanna start a religious state where your religion is the minority,
you're
>> gonna have problems. Religious states don't work anyway. Israel should
> take
>> a hint from the Taliban.
>
> What kind of gibbering idiot compares the only Western democracy in the
> Middle East with the Taliban? Is it time for your medical treatments or
> something?
>
> --Ty
>
>
>
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