On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 21:09:06 GMT, "Unknown Usenet Poster"
<yryryryr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>"DeMaisonneuve" <lucr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Unknown Usenet Poster" <yryryryr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> "Ty" <tbeardSPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> > "Unknown Usenet Poster" <yryryryr@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> > news:k4H%c.5305
>>> >> "Ty" <tbeardSPAM@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> >
>>> >> > Britain didn't "give it away". The League of Nations mandated
that
>>> > Britain
>>> >> > manage it and create a Jewish homeland. They disobeyed the
mandate
>> and
>>> >> > divided it between Arabs (who got most of the land) and Jews. As
the
>>> > legal
>>> >> > predecessor to the United Nations, the League of Nations had as
much
>>> > right
>>> >> > as anyone to determine the status of the land. I suppose Britain
>> should
>>> > be
>>> >> > complimented for letting the League of Nations determine the fate
of
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > area. Britain could have simply asserted that it was British
>> territory
>>> > by
>>> >> > right of conquest.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I've always found it amusing that pro-Palestinian folks wail
about
>>> >> > Israel's
>>> >> > pur****ted violation of UN resolutions, yet never mention
Britain's
>>> >> > violation
>>> >> > of the League of Nations mandates. Why is that?
>>> >
>>> > Non-answer noted.
>>> >
>>> >> > I note that you failed to dispute any of the historical facts
that I
>>> >> > related. In particular, you failed to comment on the observation
>>> >> > that
>>> > the
>>> >> > notion of a "Palestinian state" is a recent creation of cynical
>>> >> > Arabs
>>> >> > after
>>> >> > their humiliating defeat in 1967 (to be distinguished from their
>>> >> > humiliating
>>> >> > defeats in 1948, 1956, 1973, 1982, 1991 and 2003...). I wonder
why?
>>> >
>>> >> Maybe it had something to do with not reading your post? After your
>> first
>>> >> phoney fact about Jews in Palestine, you lost all credibility and I
>> lost
>>> >> interest.
>>> >
>>> > Non-answer noted.
>>> >
>>> > Hmmn. When confronted with inconvenient facts, you put your hands on
>> your
>>> > ears and say "lalalala I'm not listening".
>>> >
>>> > Is that really the best you can do?
>>> >
>>> >> > And why do you not direct any of your self-righteous outrage at
the
>>> >> > Arab
>>> >> > nations who continue to exploit the Palestinians as cheap labor
and
>>> >> > keep
>>> >> > many of them locked up in concentration camps? Indeed, why are
you
>> not
>>> >> > criticizing the motley assortment of Arab strongmen, crackpot
>>> >> > mullahs
>>> > and
>>> >> > murderous despots who have made the Arab world into a cesspool of
>> human
>>> >> > misery?
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> It was John F. Kennedy who convinced the Saudis to discontinue
human
>>> >> slavery. It was the US that deposed Saddam. It was the US that
helped
>> put
>>> > an
>>> >> end to the Taliban in Afghanistan. It was the US that freed Kuwait
>>> >> from
>>> >> Saddam.
>>> >>
>>> >> It is quite clear that moderate Arab leaders provide better lives
for
>>> > their
>>> >> people than the dictators...Syria versus Jordan.
>>> >
>>> > Heh -- "moderate Arab leaders" seems like a contradiction in terms.
>>> > Like
>>> > "dry water" or "militarily competent Arabs".
>>> >
>>> >> I've criticized the people you've mentioned long before you
stumbled
>> into
>>> >> this NG.
>>> >
>>> > I don't recall seeing them. A google search turned up nothing. Can
you
>>> > provide a link?
>>> >
>>> > Oh, and non-answer noted.
>>> >
>>> >> > <Non-answers predicted>
>>> >
>>> > Prediction comes true, of course.
>>> >
>>> > It is always fun to demonstrate the utter hypocrisy of folks like
you.
>> You
>>> > wail piteously about the poor Palestinians, but seem strangely
>>> > reluctant
>>> > to
>>> > criticize their Arab "brothers" who cynically use them for political
>>> > purposes, keep most of them locked up in concentration camps, and
>>> > encourage
>>> > lunatic militants in their midst.
>>> >
>>> > This reluctance implies that you really couldn't care less for the
>>> > Palestinians. You seem remarkably unconcerned that the Palestinians
are
>>> > being brutalized and abused by their Arab brothers. I wonder why?
>>> >
>>> > <Non-answers predicted>
>>> >
>>> > --Ty
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>> Standard Israeli answers...it's always somebody else's fault...and so
the
>>> conflict continues.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> This time I totally agree with you. All Ty says is presenting the Jews
are
>> poor innocent victims of this bad bad world as usual. He fails to point
>> out
>> that society of nations was a failure and led to WW2. Besides, just
>> because
>> an organisation wants to provide a land for some people doesn't make it
>> something ethically acceptable. Imagine for a second that UN would
declare
>> the territory of Israel, Kurd's land. Than thousands of Kurds move
there,
>> take control of political institutions, consider Jews like second-class
>> living beings alongside with pigs and worms (unfit for consumption
"Chabad
>> Lubavith"). Would you move away and leave the place to these people,
TY?
>> Muslims are a bunch of terrorists and imbeciles, but Jews are first
when
>> talking about imbecility.
>>
>>
>
>Ty's biggest failure is his inability to see the conflict from the
>Arab/Palestinian point of view. He only sees...Israel is right, everybody
>else is wrong. Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, the conflict
can
>not be solved until both sides begin to understand the other's point of
>view.
>
>You know, if the League of Nations, or Brits, or anybody came along and
gave
>Ty's house away, he might have a totally diffrent point of view. In the
end
>it wouldn't really matter to Ty exactly who gave his house away. All he
>would care about is that he no longer has a home and somebody else gave
it
>away.
>
>This is the same for Chechnya. Russians can not fathom what they have
done
>to Chechans. They only see Chechans as the criminals. They do not even
begin
>to consider the criminal acts they have committed.
>
>This is why there will be no solution to either the Palestinian or
Chechan
>conflicts anytime soon. Russians and Israelis will continue to die and
they
>will continue to blame it all on "terrorists" while ignoring their own
>terrorism.
>
>Those who live by the sword will die by the sword...of course let's not
be
>so naive to think that Jews read their own Bible. Moslems do not read the
>Koran either.
>
You seem to be putting some thought into these posts, but do you also
allow that those who attacked the U.S.A. might have what they
perceived as "justified"grivances? Or do you think that the attitude
towarrds the U.S.A. is sui generis?
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