vkarlamov@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
> True. It is hate, power and profit that have resulted in the greatest
> disasters of the 20th century, be it Turkish genocide agianst
> Armenians; American nuclear Holocaust against Japanese; German and
> Croat Holocaust against Jews, Serbs and Gypsies in 1940s; Croat
> genocide against Serbs in 1990s; KLA/NATO genocide against Serbs,
> Gypsies. Macedonians and Jew in 1999-2000s; American rape of Iraq in
> 2003-present; etc. Curiously, the perpetrators all seem to be NATO
> countires.
You seem to be forgetting Serbian enterprise that killed/murdered 1 in
10
Bosnians in Bosnia. That is quite impartial, isn't it?
Truly, to reach any solution, we must get over "mine truth, your truth"
syndrome and see what really happened. Croats are not innocent
infants, but you make Serbs like Arkan and Milosevic seem like a
victim of genocide? And they only wanted to erradicate Islamic threat
from the soil of Europe. What an ignorant man I am ...
> > Brainwashed by newsflashes, we direct our attention to next big
> > disaster, or to Paris Hilton's new haircut, forgetting millions of
> > victims.
> >
> > Whatever we saw, we will also reap.
>
> Sort of like "I came, I saw, I conquered"?
No, I meant exactly "what we saw, we will reap." And the one who
said "veni, vidi, vici" has also reaped the results of his conquering,
hasn't he?
I don't know is it that I am not the right nationality or am I blind
to see the advantage of being in possession of more and more
totally devastated and ruined land?
> > Though Chechnyans are Muslims, I will quote Christian Bible in this
> > moment:
> >
> > "Whoever shuts his ears from the cry of the oppressed,
> > he will cry too and no one will listen."
> >
> > Great truth that will make us wonder someday why this evil or that
> > evil is happening to us. But the answer is simple: we looked the other
> > way when it was happening to our neighbor.
> >
> > Mirsad Todorovac
> > Zagreb, Croatia
> > Apr/11/2006
> >
>
> You are from Croatia? Great! Then you must be an expert on genocides.
> Has your grandpa told you what was his personal favorite way to
> exterminate Jews, Gypsies and Serbs in Nazi Croatia?
>
> Another question. After the genocides of 1940s and 1990s, there are
> virtually no Jews left alive in Croatia. Are all the Serbs gone as well
> or do you guys need another round of genocides before you can declare
> Croatia truly "serb-frei" (serb-free)?
>
> Also, I hear some top Croat leaders are finally standing trial at the
> Hague Tribunal for the Crimes Against Humanity for their role in the
> horrible Croat anti-Serb genocide in Krajina in mid-90s. What are their
> names and their alleged roles in this genocide? Any chance that the
> rest of Croat leaders will join them in the Hague soon?
About my grandpa: he was killed about 1943. On the wrong side.
I like to think he only wanted to defend his village from Serbian
Chetniks and then joined the wrong opposite side: Croatian
Ustashe. That was a troubled time and it wasn't hard to make
wrong choice.
But I am not happy about any crime committed against Serbs. It
did not make them any better, and it did not make us any better
for sure.
I was raised in Tito's (not Milosevic's) Yugoslavia, and I was taught
unaligned movement policy, the im****tance of non-nuclear, not-rich
third world, which under Tito has risen into formidable force.
I think I should maintain or restore unaligned policy, because
unalignment is in fact impartiality. Jesus is impartial and God
is impartial, for one.
This means that I should be able to see both Russian story and
Chechen story and see the truth in between.
Chechens killed Russians, that's very bad.
Russians killed 1 in 5 Chechens, that's something even the
Bosnians did not face. And we all mourned for Srebrenica. I believe
Chechens have the right to decide to be a nation of their own,
according to the principle of self-determination of nations, and that
they have the right for freedom.
They need a right leader or leaders instead of those who were
assassined, of course.
But this is all probably futile, since I am not sure they can read
Internet and write to their own newsgroup.
Russian politicians need a scape-goat to put all their sins on and
cast it into wilderness to Azazel, and Chechens have readilly fallen
into every trap that was on their way, leading to a totally destroyed
ethnical corpus. The best in Chechens was killed and it will not
grow back for decades.
If you want to say that world full of genocides will justify you
for one, you could as well be wrong. Once upon a time, big
policy interests will be obsoleted, and the history will judge you.
My ancestors (on the grandpa's line) the Turks have done
wrong to Armenians, and to many other nations. It is time
to admit that wrong and say it was wrong. We committed
genocide. There have been better ways to deal with the
problems.
I repeat, killing is the problem of this world, not the answer.
Not much to add.
Mirsad Todorovac
Zagreb, Croatia
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