sdr wrote:
> On Oct 16, 9:14 pm, "M. Ranjit Mathews"
> <ranjit_math...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Condemn the present Turkey for a past government's
>> doing?
>> Would anyone consider condemning the present
>> Vatican Cty for the Albigensian genocide?
>
> I condemn all genocides, not present-day persons
> who did not participate in them. In my post, I am
> talking about genocide, and my criticism of the
> present-day Turks is over their unwillingness to
> recognize the crime of genocide, NOT their
> participation in it! (Just as I criticize Mr. Cohen
> for the same thing: NOT for having a kind heart and
> being a sweetheart, which I'm sure he has/is, but for
> not calling a spade a spade.) This is ALL about our
> willingness to call a genocide a genocide--it may
> appear to be a matter of some slight im****tance to
> many, but ask the few Holocaust survivors whether
> they might accept changing the definition of The
> Holocaust to merely "an unfortunate mass-murder"
> instead of The Holocaust. Then we'll talk.
>
> S D Rodrian
> http://poems.sdrodrian.com
> http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
>
> RE:
>
> Richard Cohen's contention that condemning
> genocide "will serve no earthly purpose" is
> one of the most incomprehensibly inhuman
> and shameful statements I have ever heard
> an American "journalist" make!
>
> Will not Mr. Cohen propose next that The United
> States should also begin to deny the Holocaust
> in order to promote better cooperation from Iran?
> Ah, no, wait: This would hurt our ties with Israel
> ... therefore no. Mr. Cohen might not propose that
> --After all, America's moral stand ought to have
> nothing to do with right or wrong, only with crass
> expedience!
>
> But surely Mr. Cohen WOULD propose the denial
> of the Holocaust if an im****tant ally like Germany
> were still engaged in protecting its NAZI heritage!
>
> Turkey has never been and is certainly NOT now
> a stable nation in the ocean of instability that is
> the Islamic lands. And anybody who banks on this
> self-evident myth is going to go bust: 15 to 20
> million "Turks" are in reality only "Turk-occupied"
> Kurds who will not rest until they have taken their
> part of Turkey into Kurdistan no matter how powerful
> or long their subjugation by the ethnic Turks is. And
> it's time that the world begins acknowledging this...
> and, in fact, working for its inevitability: The Kurds
> have been kept in abject ignorance, but that cannot
> and will not last. Like the Balkans, Turkey must and
> will eventually break apart into its constituent
> ethnic pieces, whether peacefully or violently. And if
> you don't believe that then you believe that tyranny
> and subjugation of one people by another lasts
> forever--It never does.
>
> Turkey will NEVER be a stable nation until it is
> a nation of Turks alone, and does not hold the
> territories of another people as if it were its own
> --let alone 15 to 20 million foreigners (almost one
> out of every "Turk").
>
> For the United States to refrain from "offending"
> a country such as Turkey merely for the sake of
> money is a disgrace this generation of Americans
> will have to answer to history for as well as to all
> future generations of Americans.
>
> The reason Turkey is engaged in this reprehensible
> and unforgivable denial of the Armenian Holocaust
> is NOT because it was perpetrated by some ancient
> and bygone Turkish government (albeit it was) but
> because its most ardent and enthusiastic perpetrators
> and instigators were her Muslim Imams--who roused
> their "congregations" to butcher as many human
> beings as they could get their hands on simply
> because they were NOT Muslims ... encouraging
> their "men" to murder, to rape, and to steal the
> properties of their pitiful victims exactly as the
> Koran advocates [you can read more on this at:
> http://www.godofreason.com/new-page-60.htm
> --Overwhelming proof of this is contained in the
> numberless confessions of contrition and remorse
> by Turks who actually took part in the genocide!
> So an admission that this was indeed the case
> would be, in no uncertain terms, a condemnation
> and indictment of the blood-thirsty nature of Islam
> itself. [SEE: http://islamisbad.com
] This, the
> Islamists of Turkey, understandably, will never do.
>
> It is impossible to deny the Armenian Genocide.
> The only thing the genocide deniers can do is to
> bring shame & dishonor on themselves, Mr. Cohen.
>
> As for America's relations with Turkey: NOTE how
> quickly and over what disgraceful reasons Turkey
> itself would consider such relations to have been
> brought to a dead end. And then try to imagine over
> what future nonsense might the Turks again threaten
> to bring them to an end. Are these relations in as
> good a footing, as stable and enduring as some
> "interests" would like to have us believe they are?
>
> There comes a time when men of good conscience
> must act on their good will and do the right thing
> regardless of the cost. And if the cost is imperiling
> relations with a Turkey that time & time again thinks
> nothing of imperiling relations with us over their
> most wicked principles, then I say indeed: "When
> the rope is rotten, it is sometimes better to cut it."
>
> S D Rodrian
> http://poems.sdrodrian.com
> http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
>
> RE:
>
> "Turkey's War on the Truth" By Richard Cohen
> Tuesday, October 16, 2007; Page A19 Wa****ngton Post
>
>
http://www.wa****ngtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/15/AR2007101501323.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
>
> "It goes without saying that the House resolution
> condemning Turkey for the "genocide" of Armenians
> from 1915 to 1923 will serve no earthly purpose and--"
>
> I could not read more without getting physically ill.
>
>
> *****************************************
>
> On Oct 18, 3:09 pm, "davesvi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"
> <davesvi...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> apparently we actually didn't read the same piece.
>> If you had bothered to read the entire well written
>> editorial, the point of which is, the truth should be
>> told, it ends with the statement: "Call it genocide
>> or call it something else, but there is only one
>> thing to call Turkey's insistence that it and its power
>> will determine the truth: unacceptable." Dave
>
> I stand by my criticism of the part I criticized.
> If you disagree with what I wrote about what I wrote
> about: Fine. I, for one, did not have anything to say
> about whatever it was I didn't have anything to say
> about, obviously. This is self-evident enough
> to not even have to be written about. Therefore
> it shall not remain unwritten about, as you can see.
>
> S D Rodrian
> http://poems.sdrodrian.com
> http://physics.sdrodrian.com
> http://mp3s.sdrodrian.com
>
> All religions are local.
> Only science is universal.
>
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>
>
> .
>
The planed and executed mass murder of a minority is called genocide.
All people are equal, so all genocides are equal bad.
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