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>> "Len McLaughlin" <len@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:37:13 -0400, "Len McLaughlin" <len@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>"David Johnston" <david@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 12:43:43 -0400, "Len McLaughlin"
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>>>>>>>Can you blame them? They're proud of THEIR culture and want to
>>>>>>>preserve
>>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>>However, they better be careful because a culture consists of more
>>>>>>>than
>>>>>>>merely a language.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <shrug> You can "preserve" a culture or you can let it live.
>>>>>===============
>>>>>Aw, you only tell that to the white guys.
>>>>
>>>> By no means. The best thing that ever happened to Japan was
>>>> abandoning efforts to "preserve" their culture.
>>>
>>> ==============================================
>>>
>>> Culture is not as simple as French on the corn flakes, which is
>>> something
>>> the pundits always like to say when lost for a better answer.
>>> This originated from politicians whose sole purpose was to deceive and
>>> then
>>> the pundits picked it up as a form of derision.
>>>
>>> If allowed all cultures will evolve freely on their own, with the
best
>>> features surviving. Japan still has it's own
>>> culture and it's evolving at a controlled pace. It's next to
impossible
>>> for
>>> a white man to become a Japanese citizen ( not just foreign resident)
>>> because of their strict immigration rules whereas Canada's is the
exact
>>> opposite. Why the strict rules? Because the Japanese want to keep
their
>>> culture, the one you say they don't have.
>>> On the opposite end, many Germans now feel their culture is being
>>> eroded.
>>> Why the difference?
>>>
>>> The fact the Japanese have changed some of their dress and speak more
>>> English doesn't mean they have lost their culture. Clothing styles are
>>> continually changing in the west but that's not a culture change. If
you
>>> lose a member of your family( language), the family (culture)still
>>> remains.The American occupation lasted approx 5 years , not enough
time
>>> to
>>> destroy any culture. Then the Japanese were able to control the pace
of
>>> change..
>>> ---------------------------------------------
>>>>The cultures of the
>>>> Middle East would be far better off if they let go of their panicky
>>>> grip on religious fanaticism.
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>> True but religion like language are only parts of any culture.
Quebec
>>> has
>>> convinced their people and ours that language and religion were the
>>> only
>>> things holding their culture together. Religion has lost it's
>>> im****tance
>>> and they still have their culture. If Que adopted the English
language
>>> tomorrow but didn't flood their province with different cultures ,they
>>> would
>>> still have their distinct culture.
>>>
>>> The Irish, Scots,and the Angles still
>>> have their distinct cultures in spite of a common language and dress.
>>> My point is that culture has many distinct characteristics and
changing
>>> one
>>> or two at a time is evolution and usually the results are for the
better
>>> because free people will chose changes that improve their lot..
>>>
>>> What can stop a culture from evolving? One is a backward religion,
just
>>> as
>>> Quebec once had and as the Middle East still has.The other is an
>>> autocratic
>>> or non-democratic government.
>>>
>>> So if you flood a country with a backward
>>> religion and people preferring an autocratic leader, then evolution
>>> stops
>>> and the foreign culture prevails because of those evolution stoppers,
>>> religion and government. Numbers,and comaptability , of course, play
>>> the larger roles in the overwhelming of a host culture. The
willingness
>>> to
>>> resort to violence should be added as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> The anti-war people here are always crying that the Afghans don't want
>>> our
>>> form of government, so doesn't it follow that if we replaced 30
million
>>> Canadians with 30 million Afghans,(or middle easterners) that they
would
>>> keep their own backward religion and form of government? And
>>> government
>>> with all its laws, safeguards and limitations is a big part of any
>>> culture.
>>>
>>> So it's obvious that somewhere in between there is a point in
>>> immigration
>>> numbers where evolution will stop and devolution will begin.....if
>>> you're
>>> bringing in ''backward' cultures or non-compatable cultures.
>>>
>>> If true that it's 'bad' to be inflicting our culture on Muslim
>>> countries,
>>> why is it then 'good' for them to inflict their culture on us?
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
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>> Specific diverse cultures can serve to mitigate other cultures who may
>> seek hegemony and engage in surreptitious genocide.
>>
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> Yes, I think you have summed up our situation quite well.
> -lm>
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>
I'm suggesting that in order to combat the threat with which we are faced
that, the threat is by design and surreptitious in nature so little or no
evidence of the threat can be found, the only way to mitigate it is to
allow
greater political power to those who are aware of the threat. In this case
Muslims, even the most radical among them must be encouraged to join our
society to assist in eliminating the threat.
As a one time opponent of immigration of minorities, I now see we have
little choice but to encourage and increase it immediately in order to
mitigate a pogrom already taking place.
Another example of someone I wholeheartedly sup****t and admire despite any
shortcomings he may have is Vladimir Putin. He recognizes a threat in his
own country and has taken action to mitigate it. (See; Inside Russia -
BBC)
Vladimir Putin http://www.bbcworld.com/Pages/Programme.aspx?id=146
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