"Pisano" <kenpisano@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 16:17:35 -0500, "Meldon" <meldon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> wrote:
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>>"Pisano" <kenpisano@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 06:50:03 -0500, "Meldon" <meldon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> wrote:
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>>>>"Pisano" <kenpisano@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 03:33:02 -0500, "Meldon" <meldon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
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>>>>>>"Pisano" <kenpisano@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 01:19:28 -0500, "Meldon" <meldon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>"Pisano" <kenpisano@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 04:39:42 GMT, David Johnston
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>>>>>>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 22:54:27 -0500, "Meldon" <meldon@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>>>wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>It is irrefutably clear to me and others, having experienced
>>>>>>>>>>>first
>>>>>>>>>>>hand
>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>awesome burden placed on the shoulders of average "majority"
>>>>>>>>>>>stake-holders
>>>>>>>>>>>in this "democracy" that the internet in particular is flooded
>>>>>>>>>>>with
>>>>>>>>>>>paid
>>>>>>>>>>>advocates who will sell you down the river in order to pad
their
>>>>>>>>>>>pockets.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Where do you find these people to pay you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's just what I was going to ask!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Please tell me you intended that to mean you were going to ask him
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>me or is your ambiguity intentional?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please tell me you are not one of those people who take every
>>>>>>> comment you read as some kind of personal insult or attack.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hate that. :P
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not at all. Its a simple question of who you directed the question
to.
>>>>>>If
>>>>>>its to me, I'm surprised since I presumed as an R.P. sup****ter, you
>>>>>>would
>>>>>>feel the same way I do regarding free speech.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I was simply making a joke, Meldon.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do that sometimes to break the tension. It disgusts me that
>>>>> so many people so often, it seems, fall into the ridiculous pattern
of
>>>>> sniping at each other with childish insults and vicious name calling
>>>>> to the point that most any discussion on the boards are filled with
>>>>> vitriol. It isn't any fun. I don't like it now, and have never
been
>>>>> one of those who do.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I've explained why it occurs and why the vitriol is by design.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Oh, I think I have that one pretty much figured out, lol.
>>>
>>> But seriously, what is your theory?
>>>
>>
>>Capitalism, perhaps governance itself, produces the hidden leviathan.
The
>>phi****ng scam I described previous is a microcosm of a model which
>>contains
>>a conflict of interest. On a larger scale, this "competitive spirit", if
>>you
>>will, produces a tremendous push toward, cheating or a better
description,
>>fraud.
>>
>>Its a question of exchange of assets and value from an unsuspecting
public
>>to those selling the s**** oil. That's not to say that genuine value
>>doesn't
>>exist, but that there's not enough genuine value to go around or to keep
>>an
>>economy competitive in a global market. The tendency is to cheat the
>>public.
>>It is completely normal and a function of a "healthy" economy. The
largest
>>leap anyone has to make is to consider the reality of more fraud than
not,
>>or at least, more fraud than expected.
>>
>>Its im****tant to note I have not used the word "corrupt" since that
might
>>indicate something broken. For the beneficiaries the model sound.
Rather,
>>the correct word is fraud since this activity intentionally seeks to
>>deceive, in order to profit. This is the grand illusion - the hidden
>>leviathan is the propensity to defraud.
>>
>>
>>
> I generally agree with you in regard to fraud being a "hidden
> leviathan". But I really don't get what that actually has to do with
> people being total assholes on Usenet.
>
> My theory about that is that it is perhaps the result of a
> concerted effort by others to generate widespread division and
> animosity among the general population which serves to prevent them
> from ever working together for the common good.
>
> Your milage may vary.
>
Your theory would sit well within the framework of "Diverse Harmonic
Balance
(1)".
The "asshole syndrome" is the propensity for the economic model to
consider
all activity as positive to economic growth. Simply put, there is little
or
no incentive to prevent them being disruptive and every incentive to be as
disruptive as possible. From the perspective of Keynesian Emergency
Economic
Model, "all activity is good", even if its immoral, destructive,
disruptive,
inefficient, wasteful or unsustainable. That's what was required at the
time. There was simply no other choice. Seventy years later (~ two
generations), we are observing things and asking questions such as, "How
corrupt *is* the system? Everywhere we look there seems to be another
example of something broken. People turning against people and endless
conflict are also a result of the model."
(1) "Diverse Harmonic Balance" - A framework for understanding and
determining effective choices in complex systems
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