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Re: Get a life and get out of the Cold War!

by "ESLaPorte" <eslaporte@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 5, 2004 at 02:19 PM

The level of this poster's intelligence can be demonstrated by the notion
that I "must be Russian" by default. And your hate for Russians is also
very
much contrary to the values that our NATO Alliance defends, as well as
contrary to NATO policy. I'm not Russian, nor Slavic, but even if I was,
having pro-NATO Russians is a good thing, not a bad thing!

>
> > > The point of that was to demonistate that automatic, knee-jerk,
> >  falling back
> > > on the stereotype that "Russia is the enemy of NATO."
>
> It is. NATO was founded to counter russian aggression.
> It is too bad that Chechnya was not a NATO member.

NATO is not "anti-Russian" - but it was anti -Soviet communism!
NATO Treaty was founded to counter both SOVIET AGGRESSION, as well as to
be
the foundations for an Atlantic Community...
There IS a difference between the Russians as a group of people and Soviet
communism!

NATO does not define ANY group of people or nation as "the enemy!"
You insult our NATO Alliance and its leaders by stating that they are
"anti-Russian" and hate groups of people because of who they are..!
I 've met a couple of those leaders, including Jamie Shea, and they do not
hate anyone, but would like to see positive, peaceful relations between
NATO
and all nations, including Russia!

Also - NATO and its Treaty were created and defined in positive terms. I
highly doubt that you have even sat down are read the North Atlantic
Treaty.
I have not only read it - but studied it. Please try to learn what you're
talking about ...

I have researched the foundations of NATO and written about it for several
years. I am in touch with people and professors who are involved in NATO
and
transatlantic affairs. I have actually attended events with NATO leaders.
There is NO ONE involved in NATO that defines Russians, Serbs, Muslims, or
anyone else as "the enemy." I know a professor (my mentor) who actually
knew
Ted Achilles and Clarence Streit - but you probable do not even know who
Ted
Achilles was do you?

*** Tell me who Ted Achilles was? Hummmm?! ***

*** Can you tell me about the "Omaha milkman" and how it related to the
creation of the North Atlantic Treaty?! ***

To continue to state that "Russia is the enemy of NATO" is to believe
something that is wrong, without foundation, and even offensive to the
NATO
Alliance and the principles and purposes of the North Atlantic Treaty.
Your
anti-Russian mentality is an insult to our NATO Alliance!

Now if you want to seriously read about the true purposes of NATO and
NATO's
new mission in the post-Cold War world, I would be happy to indulge you in
that reality without insulting you. And that invitation is open to all on
these newsgroups. If you want to have an intelligent discussion about NATO
without insults or racist stereotypes - I can do that!

I will no long answer posts from posters who engage in stereotypes, laced
with bigotry, and who appear to engage in Cold War rehash. Those who
especially fail to come to the reality that the Cold War has been over for
a
decade, that Russia is not the enemy of NATO, and that even insult our
NATO
Alliance by failing to acknowledge that its new mission is countering
terrorism and fluid threats of the post Cold War age!

I will not engage posters who do not follow MODERN and CURRENT policy and
activities of our NATO Alliance!

You need to first get a life and start here -

NATO's website-
www.nato.int

The Prague Summit one year on: the NRF, NATO's transformation and
decision-making process.
http://terrorism.pronato.com/NATO.NRF.terrorism.htm

NATO - Russia relations: A new quality
http://www.nato.int/issues/nato-russia/index.html

The NRF's website:
http://www.afnorth.nato.int/NRF/index.htm



>
> > > To state that Russia is the enmey of NATO is to cling to Cold War
> >  thinking
> > > and stereotypes.
>
> Reality is good. Indulge in it more often, La ****te.
> Seeing that russia is currently partnered with red china in a new
> Stragetic Alliance to militarily counter the US (read trans-atlantic)
> and *our eastern european* interests , it becomes obvious that the
> 'old' cold-war... never ended.
>
> Uno Hu

Do not dare call yourself a NATO sup****ter! You are no NATO sup****ter and
do
not DARE call youself one!  The NATO Alliance itself has declaired the
Cold
War over - and has adapted itself to the new reality of international
terrorism and taking on missions, such as in Afghanistan.

Another one of those people who knows nothing about NATO and its true
purposes!

Another one of those people who does not follow the CURRENT doings of our
NATO Alliance.

Another one of those people who needs to come out of the cave that he's
been
in since before 1989!

Reality is that NATO is not - and never was - an "anti-Russian" alliance.

Reality is that it was Soviet communism that was the Cold War enemy of the
NATO Alliance!

Reality is that the Cold War is OVER and our NATO Alliance is a partner
with
Russia!

Reality is that our NATO Alliance has adapted for the new threats of the
post Cold War world!

And the reason why you are stuck in the Cold War could very well be due to
what appears to be a refusal to READ and LEARN about the CURRENT -  post
1991 - state of NATO security and transatlantic affairs...

-- 
Erin La****te
The NATO Citizen - www.pronato.com
"Long live the entangling Alliance!"

PS - for those who want to discuss and learn about NATO - its post Cold
War
roles - and the prospect of future roles and missions, such as the NRF,
Afghanistan and Iraq, and more, we can do this open-mindedly and without
insults!  We can discuss in private e-mails, on an e-list (I manage
several
pro-NATO lists) or a message board.
 




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Re: Get a life and get out of the Cold War!
"ESLaPorte" <  2004-04-05 14:19:53 

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