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18 sep, 05:31, "Logan Kearsley" <chrono.sur...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >
> > I've started out by eliminating any consonant distinctions based on
> > voicing
> > or aspiration, and putting together a lot of allophones. After taking
> > out
> > some other possible noises that are missing from any of the various
> > languages I have appropriate knowledge of, I've got a list of 7 1/2
> > consonants:
> > b- labial plosive
> > d- alveolarplosive
> > g- glottal plosive
> > j- postalveolar fricative
> > v- labiodental fricative
> > z- alveolar fricative
>
> I find it very odd that you chose to represent these consonants
> using letters that are primarily associated with voiced sounds.
> Obstruent consonants are typically voiceless (whereas sonorant
> consonants and vowels are typically voiced).
Change the symbol list to p, t, k, c/x, f, & s, then. Which set of symbols
you write it with isn't as im****tant as what the sounds are.
Note, I intentionally left out distinctions based on voicing- unvoiced and
voiced forms of each are considered allophones of a single phoneme.
> > n- nasal
>
> Why did you leave out "m"?
I didn't. [m] is a nasal.
> > r- any of r, r\, r`, r\`, l, l`, or l\ (counted half at the moment
> > because
> > r's and l's can be syllabic)
> [...]
> > Would it be a really good idea to make 'r' firmly
> > consonantal, or is it OK to let it be syllabic?
>
> Make the phoneme /l/ rather than /r/, because laterals are
> less marked than rhotics. OTOH, syllabic consonants are
> relatively uncommon, and thus they are likely to cause
> trouble; so avoid them.
Just a matter of symbol preference. If I were to put in syllabics, I'd
probably use 'l' for the non-syllabic phoneme and 'r' for the syllabic,
but
leaving syllabics out it shouldn't really matter whether the phoneme is
written 'l' or 'r'.
> I'm afraid I think it currently doesn't look very optimal as
> a "universally pronounceable" phonology. But here you are
> an idea for a quite minimal phonology (ten phonemes in all)
> that is not likely to cause much trouble:
Can you say what in particular is wrong with it? What and for whom would
be
difficult to pronounce?
-l.
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