Good evening again Lowell!
Lowell C. Savage wrote to Jay P. Hailey...
> I see. Do you also hold that the Japanese, German, French, Dutch,
Italian,
> Bosnian, Greek, Kosovar, Norwegian, Taiwanese, Phillippino, and South
Korean
> governments (and a few more that I'm surely forgetting) are "puppet
> governments"???
Yes, in a lot of respects they still are! I've lived a great
many years particularly in Japan and the Philippines. Only a
fraction of all of the ones you just mentioned, but in many
respects over the last 50 years or more YES, the Japanese
government does bend over backward in support of US foreign
policy, as does the current Philippine government! I've spent
scat time in South Korea, but enough to know, that is is, and
always has been, a regular supporter of US foreign policy, which
is and has been, vital to its very existence as you ought to
know. You could probably include Taiwan in this mix, although
I've only spent five days there, and that was 35 years ago, but
judging from the political climate in East Asia today, yes, they
too are entirely in the US orbit for supporting US foreign policy
for their survival.
> Of course, the real key in the past was the fact that the ordinary
people
> were supporting warlords. So, the current popular support for the
"warlords
> and maniacs with guns" shows that Bush was stupid.
> http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2004/n12022004_2004120201.html
I wouldn't be one, although there are several, who might call
Bush stupid. He is surrounded by genious however, and stupidity
all at the same time. Donald Rumsfeld is an asshole, but an
intrenched genius nevertheless. Condom-Loser Rice is a very
smart and wise opportunist who is following her own career path
to stardom.
I only suggest, that the so-called greatest nation on earth
shouldn't be guided by these nitwits!
How long do you believe the current Afghan government could
possibly exist absent a US presence? What is your point in
claiming victory for Democracy (which is anathama to Libertarians
and Constitutionalists anyway) when such depends upon the use of
massive outside aggression to put it into place. How long do you
believe it might last in a region that American culture can
neither fathom nor explain?
Jay P. Hailey wrote:
> > while Hamid Karzai hides in Kabul behind an American body guard.
To which you replied:
> Yup. Karzai has fewer body guards than Bush does. Are you now going to
say
> that Bush is a puppet?
That's pure crap, and you know it. Karzai has less US body
guards because of calculated necessity. If Bush has much more,
that is also calculated necessity. Point I believe, although I
may be wrong, Jay was making here, is probably how long do you
suppose Karzai would last in Afghanistan tomorrow if US military
and security presence left tonight?
> Keep grasping at straws, Jay. Keep repeating, "Bush is a dummy. Bush
is a
> dummy...."
I can't speak for Jay. But I can speak for myself. Until and
unless you answer my questions, Karzai would be toast tomorrow
without US security and military support today. There is no US
'exit strategy' for either Afhanistan or Iraq proposed by the
Shrub Regime, is there?
Well, just for starters, we will likely need an exit strategy
more urgently in Iraq if the current puppet government cannot
find a way to rule Iraq under its own supervision. Afghanistan
is much different. Very little will actually change. The
strategy there is much different than it is in Iraq. Hundreds of
years of local 'war lord' rule will only retrench and continue on
another day as it has for hundreds of years.
The huge question you, and other supporters of the Shrub Regime
need to answer is just how long do you believe Americans will be
willing to support this giant cost of perpetual regime changes
around the planet... that is, how much can THIS nation afford in
the realm of pure stupidity, and still survive on its own in this
century?
Ya need to really understand some fundamental things here. You
are addressing political and social issues in a part of the world
that you don't understand at all. Neither does this
Administration understand it. It predates our own civilization by
hundreds of years! America was an experiment some say, that is
only about 250 years old. You can't tell China (who's
civilization redates that by 2000 years, or Iraq, Afghanistan,
and southern Asia in the context of things, how that should
develop and restructure things according to an experiment that
today is going bady wrong!
The very fact that today, we have thousands of US troops on the
ground around this planet, suggests at least this civilization,
or experiment, may have failed very badly in our own lifetime!
And that's the tremendous tragedy in all of this. My personal
fear is simply this: we may have finally lost all of which we
formally gained, and only in a short number of years.
Warmest regards,
Frank
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