On Apr 20, 2:03 pm, Foxtrot <foxt...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Thaddeus Stevens <thaddeussteph...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> >Top Bush Aides Pushed for Guant=E1namo Torture
> >Senior Officials Bypassed Army Chief to Introduce Interrogation Methods
>
> >By Richard Norton-Taylor
>
> >America=92s most senior general was =93hoodwinked=94 by top Bush
administ=
ration officials determined
> >to push through aggressive interrogation techniques of terror suspects
he=
ld at Guant=E1namo Bay,
> >leading to the US military abandoning its age-old ban on the cruel and
in=
humane treatment of
> >prisoners, the Guardian reveals today.0419 01 1
>
> >General Richard Myers, chairman of the US joint chiefs of staff from
2001=
to 2005, wrongly
> >believed
> > ... he was duped
> >In his new book, Torture Team, Philippe Sands
>
> Ah. So we have a known Bush basher who's peddling a new book
> to bash Bush. Obviously he's going to sensationalize his claims for
> his agenda as well as his own monetary gain. Nice source,
> TheDunce.
The author of the book is a Professor of International Law, and an
active QC. He has no need to "sensationalize' anything.
>
> > =B7 Myers believes ...
> > =B7 Myers wrongly believed ...
> >Myers was one top official who did not understand ...
> >Myers mistakenly believed ...
> >Sands, who spent three hours with the former general, says he was
=93conf=
used=94 about the decisions
> >that were taken.
>
> Note how Myers himself isn't being quoted in most of these claims.
The article is telling us what claims are made by the book. the author
of the article can't quote Myers, because he didn't interview Myers.
>
> >in December 2002 for use by the military at Guant=E1namo had been taken
f=
rom the US army field
> >manual. They included hooding, sensory deprivation, and physical and
ment=
al abuse.
>
> Ooooh how terrible. A hood was placed over their heads and they
> couldn't see or hear much. Exactly what is the definition of "physical
> and mental abuse"? Lack of conjugal visits? Deprival of al Qaeda
> reading material?
You don't know what any of the above actually are, do you?
Do you realize that every single one of the above is forbidden under
the Geneva Convention, and that the UNITED STATES has overseen the
prosecution of other countries for doing such things?
>
> C'mon libs. If you truly believe in this cause, demand that Cokehead
> Obama and Battleax Clinton adopt this issue and insist that they
> promise to release terrorists currently in custody.
We don't have any terrorists in custody.
Do you know how I know that?
Because terrorism is a crime, and no one in custody currently has been
tried and convicted for the crime of terrorism. You see, until someone
is presented with evidence, and is given due process, that person is
innocent. You know, that pesky phrase, "innocent until proven guilty"?
We used to believe in that, didn't we?
But I do think it is possible to NOT RELEASE a prisoner, and also NOT
ABUSE them at the same time. You create a false dichotomy with that
load of crap.
>
> >Larry Wilkerson, a former army officer and chief of staff to Colin
Powell=
, US secretary of state
> >at the time, told the Guardian: =93I do know that Rumsfeld had
neutralise=
d the chairman [Myers] in
> >many significant ways.
>
> >=93The secretary did this by cutting [Myers] out of important
communicati=
ons, meetings,
> >deliberations and plans.
> >http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/04/19/8392/
>
> Yeah right there's an objective source.
Let's see... do I believe a journalist, who is telling us what to
expect in an upcoming book, written by a law professor and QC -- a
book being published in Britain, by a British press, no less -- or do
I believe you, who is... say, what the hell are you, anyway?
I'll take the journalist and the lawyer, thanks.
BTW, you imply that the guy who wrote the book is lying. Do you know
anything about British libel and slander laws? If he's saying it, and
Myers isn't suing him, he's most likely not lying.
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