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Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling

by "Sid9" <sid9@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 30, 2008 at 12:41 PM

"John Galt" <whoisjohngalt@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Sid9" <sid9@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Geo" <taxpayer779@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> On Apr 30, 9:45 am, "Sid9" <s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>> "John Galt" <whoisjohng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>>>> news:AgWRj.123983$Tj3.106837@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/start_drilling.html
>>>>
>>>> > Article Highlights (well, almost all of it is a "highlight"):
>>>>
>>>> > (...) The truth is that we're almost powerless to influence today's
>>>> > prices. We are because we didn't take sensible actions 10 or 20
years 
>>>> > ago.
>>>> > If we persist, we will be even worse off in a decade or two. The 
>>>> > first
>>>> > thing to do: Start drilling.
>>>> > It may surprise Americans to discover that the United States is the
>>>> > third-largest oil producer, behind Saudi Arabia and Russia. We
could 
>>>> > be
>>>> > producing more, but Congress has put large areas of potential
supply
>>>> > off-limits. These include the Atlantic and Pacific coasts and parts

>>>> > of
>>>> > Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico. By government estimates, these areas

>>>> > may
>>>> > contain 25-30 billion barrels of oil (against about 30 billion of 
>>>> > proven
>>>> > U.S. reserves today) and 80 trillion cubic feet or more of natural 
>>>> > gas
>>>> > (compared with about 200 tcf of proven reserves).
>>>>
>>>> > What keeps these areas closed are exaggerated environmental fears, 
>>>> > strong
>>>> > prejudice against oil companies, and sheer stupidity. Americans
favor 
>>>> > both
>>>> > "energy independence" and cheap fuel. They deplore im****ts -- who 
>>>> > wants to
>>>> > pay foreigners? -- but oppose more production in the United States.

>>>> > Got
>>>> > it? The result is a "no-pain energy agenda that sounds appealing
but 
>>>> > has
>>>> > no basis in reality," writes Robert Bryce in "Gusher of Lies: The
>>>> > Dangerous Delusions of 'Energy Independence.'"
>>>>
>>>> > Unsurprisingly, all three major presidential candidates tout
"energy
>>>> > independence." This reflects either ignorance (unlikely) or
pandering
>>>> > (probable). The United States now im****ts about 60 percent of its 
>>>> > oil, up
>>>> > from 42 percent in 1990. We'll im****t lots more for the foreseeable
>>>> > future. The world uses 86 million barrels of oil a day, up from 67 
>>>> > mbd in
>>>> > 1990. (...)
>>>>
>>>> > The best we can do is to try to influence the global balance of 
>>>> > supply and
>>>> > demand. Increase our supply. Restrain our demand. (...)
>>>>
>>>> > Increasing production also is im****tant. Output from older fields,
>>>> > including Alaska's North Slope, is declining. Although production 
>>>> > from
>>>> > restricted areas won't make the U.S. self-sufficient, it might 
>>>> > stabilize
>>>> > output or even reduce im****ts. No one knows exactly what's in these

>>>> > areas,
>>>> > because the exploratory work is old. Estimates indicate that 
>>>> > production
>>>> > from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge might equal almost 5
percent 
>>>> > of
>>>> > present U.S. oil use.
>>>>
>>>> > Members of Congress complain loudly about high oil profits ($40.6 
>>>> > billion
>>>> > for ExxonMobil last year) but frustrate those companies from using 
>>>> > those
>>>> > profits to explore and produce in the United States. Getting access

>>>> > to oil
>>>> > elsewhere is increasingly difficult. Governments own three-quarters

>>>> > or
>>>> > more of proven reserves. Higher prices perversely discourage other
>>>> > countries from approving new projects. Flush with oil revenues, 
>>>> > countries
>>>> > have less need to expand production. Undersupply and high prices
then 
>>>> > feed
>>>> > on each other.
>>>>
>>>> > But it's hard for the United States to complain that other
countries 
>>>> > limit
>>>> > access to their reserves when we're doing the same. If higher U.S.
>>>> > production reduced world prices, other countries might expand 
>>>> > production.
>>>> > What they couldn't get from prices they'd try to get from greater 
>>>> > sales.
>>>>
>>>> > On environmental grounds, the alternatives to more drilling are 
>>>> > usually
>>>> > worse. Subsidies to ethanol made from corn have increased food
prices 
>>>> > and
>>>> > used scarce water, with few benefits. If oil is im****ted, it's 
>>>> > vulnerable
>>>> > to tanker spills. By contrast, local production is probably safer. 
>>>> > There
>>>> > were 4,000 platforms operating in the Gulf of Mexico when
hurricanes
>>>> > Katrina and Rita hit. Despite extensive damage, there were no major
>>>> > spills, says Robbie Diamond of Securing America's Future Energy, an
>>>> > advocacy group.
>>>>
>>>> > Perhaps oil prices will drop when some long-delayed projects begin
>>>> > production or if demand slackens. But the basic problem will
remain.
>>>> > Though dependent on foreign oil, we might conceivably curb the
power 
>>>> > of
>>>> > foreign producers. But this is not a task of a month or a year. It
is 
>>>> > a
>>>> > task of decades; new production projects take that long. If we
don't 
>>>> > start
>>>> > now, our future dependence and its dangers will grow. Count on it.
>>>>
>>>> Conservation, alternative energy sources
>>>> to reduce America's dependence on im****ted
>>>> oil will have a greater affect on energy supply
>>>> than more drilling.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, the op****tunity was lost 27
>>>> years ago when Reagan became president
>>>> and reversed Carter's energy policies to the
>>>> current "Let the good times roll"
>>>>
>>>> Now we pay for Republican short sightedness.
>>>
>>> We are not going to conserve our way out of this.  That said, why not
>>> just open ANWR, coastal regions, tar sands, nuclear development,
>>> expand coal mining and processing, do away with dumb regulations like
>>> having to cook up any number of fuel formulas for any given time of
>>> year.  All this is within our capabilities.  All of it is available.
>>> We could have started years ago and been in a much better position
>>> today.  Instead, we let the sky is falling enviro-wacko crowd (Al Gore
>>> for instance) dictate energy policy that leads to goofy initiative
>>> like curly lightbulbs and ethanol.  It is truly amazing how common
>>> sense has taken a back seat to the needs of this nation.  Look where
>>> environmentalist eco-nuttism has got us: $3.65 for gas where I am, a
>>> complete reliance on foreign oil, ever growing prices for food - all
>>> directly as a result of that policy.  Thanks libs.  Thanks a pant
load.
>>
>>
>> We need to conserve,
>> we need to use and develop
>> alternate energy sources.
>>
>> We went to the moon and
>> back. With real leader****p,
>> instead of oil company executives
>> running our government,
>> we CAN DO do it.
>
> You know, I'm writing this from Bangalore, where industrialists are
still 
> respected for their ability to lift standards of living. I'm trying to 
> figure out how Americans became so jaded that they forgot that little 
> fact.
>
> The guys running the oil companies did one thing -- they bought low and 
> they're selling high. The reason they bought low is because they have 
> foresight that most people don't have.
>
> If you think they're the bad guys, America is doomed. What's your 
> solution? Break up Exxon, Conoco, and Chevron, and let Lukoil,
Petrobras, 
> and CNOOC call the shots worldwide? You'd prefer a Russian, Brazilian,
and 
> Chinese CEO be Top Dogs in the energy business rather than three 
> Americans?
>
> Geez. Come on.
>
> JG
>
>>
>>
>
>

They are neither bad nor good.
At present they have control of our government and energy policy.
We'll fix that in November
 




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Samuelson on OIl Drilling
"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 14:10:44 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
vjp2.at@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-30 09:36:14 
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"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 15:33:13 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-04-30 06:41:09 
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"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 21:56:12 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-04-30 14:45:32 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 04:50:17 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 21:30:52 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 13:03:26 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-02 09:44:38 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-03 01:20:44 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-02 12:09:59 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-03 08:55:24 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 09:48:59 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 16:10:19 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 16:16:11 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 16:36:43 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 02:58:13 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 21:28:39 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 10:51:28 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-05-01 16:27:00 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 08:56:40 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 09:45:10 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 21:57:21 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-04-30 07:22:44 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 10:34:57 
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"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 22:01:31 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 12:41:38 
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"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 22:39:54 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
Joe Steel <JoeSteel@[E  2008-04-30 09:45:54 
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"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 22:05:45 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
Joe Steel <JoeSteel@[E  2008-04-30 15:40:46 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 16:48:32 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 03:00:25 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
Joe Steel <JoeSteel@[E  2008-05-01 11:15:07 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 08:14:20 
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JCrowe <bongofury@[EMA  2008-05-02 11:50:03 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-03 08:37:44 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 17:59:57 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-04-30 10:35:00 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 13:11:14 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 02:56:19 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 21:21:00 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 10:48:30 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-05-01 13:08:20 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 08:51:38 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 16:16:23 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 09:02:35 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-04-30 13:38:01 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 16:44:22 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 20:49:13 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 21:15:35 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-04-30 13:48:18 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 20:54:34 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-04-30 13:56:34 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 16:58:54 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-04-30 14:16:28 
Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling
"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 18:03:33 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 04:22:30 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 04:23:27 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-05-01 16:29:44 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 04:24:31 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 04:39:51 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-05-01 09:13:42 
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forbisgaryg@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 05:24:24 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 05:43:18 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 16:27:02 
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forbisgaryg@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 06:06:15 
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forbisgaryg@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 06:11:04 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 21:49:51 
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forbisgaryg@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 06:16:49 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 06:20:32 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 06:31:38 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 10:13:02 
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forbisgaryg@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 07:02:20 
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forbisgaryg@[EMAIL PROTEC  2008-05-01 07:06:10 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 23:07:11 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 09:48:54 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 08:16:14 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 18:15:17 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 09:55:00 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-05-01 22:17:24 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 10:23:19 
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Rich Travsky <traRvEsk  2008-05-01 08:49:02 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 09:51:31 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 14:19:08 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 18:12:34 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-05-01 21:16:13 
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