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Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling

by The Trucker <mikcob@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 30, 2008 at 10:35 AM

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 07:22:44 -0700, Geo wrote:

> On Apr 30, 9:45 am, "Sid9" <s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> "John Galt" <whoisjohng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>>
>> news:AgWRj.123983$Tj3.106837@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>
>>
>> >http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/04/start_drilling.html
>>
>> > Article Highlights (well, almost all of it is a "highlight"):
>>
>> > (...) The truth is that we're almost powerless to influence today's
>> > prices. We are because we didn't take sensible actions 10 or 20 years
ago.
>> > If we persist, we will be even worse off in a decade or two. The
first
>> > thing to do: Start drilling.
>> > It may surprise Americans to discover that the United States is the
>> > third-largest oil producer, behind Saudi Arabia and Russia. We could
be
>> > producing more, but Congress has put large areas of potential supply
>> > off-limits. These include the Atlantic and Pacific coasts and parts
of
>> > Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico. By government estimates, these areas
may
>> > contain 25-30 billion barrels of oil (against about 30 billion of
proven
>> > U.S. reserves today) and 80 trillion cubic feet or more of natural
gas
>> > (compared with about 200 tcf of proven reserves).
>>
>> > What keeps these areas closed are exaggerated environmental fears,
strong
>> > prejudice against oil companies, and sheer stupidity. Americans favor
both
>> > "energy independence" and cheap fuel. They deplore imports -- who
wants to
>> > pay foreigners? -- but oppose more production in the United States.
Got
>> > it? The result is a "no-pain energy agenda that sounds appealing but
has
>> > no basis in reality," writes Robert Bryce in "Gusher of Lies: The
>> > Dangerous Delusions of 'Energy Independence.'"
>>
>> > Unsurprisingly, all three major presidential candidates tout "energy
>> > independence." This reflects either ignorance (unlikely) or pandering
>> > (probable). The United States now imports about 60 percent of its
oil, up
>> > from 42 percent in 1990. We'll import lots more for the foreseeable
>> > future. The world uses 86 million barrels of oil a day, up from 67
mbd in
>> > 1990. (...)
>>
>> > The best we can do is to try to influence the global balance of
supply and
>> > demand. Increase our supply. Restrain our demand. (...)
>>
>> > Increasing production also is important. Output from older fields,
>> > including Alaska's North Slope, is declining. Although production
from
>> > restricted areas won't make the U.S. self-sufficient, it might
stabilize
>> > output or even reduce imports. No one knows exactly what's in these
areas,
>> > because the exploratory work is old. Estimates indicate that
production
>> > from the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge might equal almost 5 percent
of
>> > present U.S. oil use.
>>
>> > Members of Congress complain loudly about high oil profits ($40.6
billion
>> > for ExxonMobil last year) but frustrate those companies from using
those
>> > profits to explore and produce in the United States. Getting access
to oil
>> > elsewhere is increasingly difficult. Governments own three-quarters
or
>> > more of proven reserves. Higher prices perversely discourage other
>> > countries from approving new projects. Flush with oil revenues,
countries
>> > have less need to expand production. Undersupply and high prices then
feed
>> > on each other.
>>
>> > But it's hard for the United States to complain that other countries
limit
>> > access to their reserves when we're doing the same. If higher U.S.
>> > production reduced world prices, other countries might expand
production.
>> > What they couldn't get from prices they'd try to get from greater
sales.
>>
>> > On environmental grounds, the alternatives to more drilling are
usually
>> > worse. Subsidies to ethanol made from corn have increased food prices
and
>> > used scarce water, with few benefits. If oil is imported, it's
vulnerable
>> > to tanker spills. By contrast, local production is probably safer.
There
>> > were 4,000 platforms operating in the Gulf of Mexico when hurricanes
>> > Katrina and Rita hit. Despite extensive damage, there were no major
>> > spills, says Robbie Diamond of Securing America's Future Energy, an
>> > advocacy group.
>>
>> > Perhaps oil prices will drop when some long-delayed projects begin
>> > production or if demand slackens. But the basic problem will remain.
>> > Though dependent on foreign oil, we might conceivably curb the power
of
>> > foreign producers. But this is not a task of a month or a year. It is
a
>> > task of decades; new production projects take that long. If we don't
start
>> > now, our future dependence and its dangers will grow. Count on it.
>>
>> Conservation, alternative energy sources
>> to reduce America's dependence on imported
>> oil will have a greater affect on energy supply
>> than more drilling.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the opportunity was lost 27
>> years ago when Reagan became president
>> and reversed Carter's energy policies to the
>> current "Let the good times roll"
>>
>> Now we pay for Republican short sightedness.
> 
> We are not going to conserve our way out of this. 

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Typical false framing Republican crap followed by claims of cause and
effect that are totally wrong.

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Samuelson on OIl Drilling
"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 14:10:44 
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vjp2.at@[EMAIL PROTECTED]  2008-04-30 09:36:14 
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"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 15:33:13 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-04-30 06:41:09 
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"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 21:56:12 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-04-30 14:45:32 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 04:50:17 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 21:30:52 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 09:48:59 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 21:28:39 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 10:51:28 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-05-01 16:27:00 
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"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 21:57:21 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-04-30 07:22:44 
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"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 22:39:54 
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"John Galt" <  2008-04-30 22:05:45 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 08:14:20 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-03 08:37:44 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 17:59:57 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-04-30 10:35:00 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 21:21:00 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-05-01 13:08:20 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 09:02:35 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-04-30 13:38:01 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 16:44:22 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 20:49:13 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 21:15:35 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-04-30 13:48:18 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-04-30 20:54:34 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-04-30 13:56:34 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 16:58:54 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-04-30 14:16:28 
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"Sid9" <sid9  2008-04-30 18:03:33 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-05-01 16:29:44 
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"Larry Hewitt"   2008-05-01 09:13:42 
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Geo <taxpayer779@[EMAI  2008-05-01 05:43:18 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 16:27:02 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 21:49:51 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 10:13:02 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-01 23:07:11 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 09:48:54 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 08:16:14 
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The Trucker <mikcob@[E  2008-05-01 18:15:17 
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"John Galt" <  2008-05-02 09:55:00 
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