Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling

On May 1, 5:43=A0am, Geo <taxpayer...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 1, 8:24 am, forbisga...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 1, 4:24 am, Geo <taxpayer...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Apr 30, 9:15 pm, "Sid9" <s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > "Larry Hewitt" <larryh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > "Geo" <taxpayer...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > >>> "Larry Hewitt" <larryh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > >>> > "John Galt" <whoisjohng...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > >>> >>> It's in our interest to use up everybody else's oil before
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ur own.
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> > > > >>> >> It's not in our best interest to lower our standard of
living=
 in the
> > > > >>> >> process, which is what the result will be.
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> > > > >>> > It is, in fact, very easy to _raise_ our standards of living
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hile
> > > > >>> > reducing oil consumption.
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> > > > >>> > For example, as much as 5% of domestic electric consummption
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s the
> > > > >>> > result
> > > > >>> > of instant on fetures in consumer electronics or consumer
elec=
tronics
> > > > >>> > that
> > > > >>> > are always on (cable modem are surprisingly greedy).
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> > > > >>> > Using existing technology to change this as new electronics
ar=
e
> > > > >>> > purchased
> > > > >>> > would save the average family $12 a month. And at the same
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e it
> > > > >>> > would
> > > > >>> > eliminate the need for 2 or 3 large electric generating
plants=
.. Or the
> > > > >>> > freed up power could be used to run 200,000 all electric
cars.=

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> > > > >>> > Larry
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> > > > >>> >> JG
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> > > > >>> >>> =A0 =A0 - =3D -
> > > > >>> >>> Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart,
Pindus,=

> > > > >>> >>> BioStrategist
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=A0http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vasos.h=
tm
> > > > >>> >>> =A0---{Nothing herein constitutes advice. =A0Everything
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y
> > > > >>> >>> disclaimed.}---
> > > > >>> >>> =A0 [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy
obstr=
uctive
> > > > >>> >>> guards]
> > > > >>> >>> [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal]
[Windows=
 is for
> > > > >>> >>> Bimbos]
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> > > > >>> Replace every incandescent lamp with a CFL.....how much will
tha=
t save?
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> > > > >>> Solar heat domestic hot war in our southern states...how much
wi=
ll that
> > > > >>> save?
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> > > > >>> Restore the pre-Reagan energy saving rules...how much will
that =
save?
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> > > > >>> I'm sure there's a lot more that can be done on the
conservation=
 side
> > > > >>> without reducing our quality of life.
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> > > > >>> We only need the leader****p...we surely do not have it in the
> > > > >>> Republicans.
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> > > > >> You know something, if you want to use a CFL, solar heat, or
any =
other
> > > > >> conservation method go right ahead and do it. =A0Why on earth,
in=
 a free
> > > > >> society, do you need the govt telling you what kind of
lightbulb =
you
> > > > >> need? =A0Really, is there no end to what you think govt should
be=
 doing
> > > > >> for you?
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> > > > > Ah, that ole libertarian crap.
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> > > > > I wanna do what I wanna do and noone can stop me.
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> > > > > No matter what damage I do to the property of others, what
rights =
of
> > > > > others I trample.
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> > > > > Everyone else should just shut up and let me do my =A0thing.
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> > > > > Yet when others try =A0this you whine and piss your pants.
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> > > > > Larry
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> > > > They hang the label "Libertarian" on themselves...actually they
are
> > > > anarchists
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> > > Sid, you've become so conditioned and accepting of big govt and its
> > > intrusion into every aspect of your life that anything resembling
> > > personal responsibility or accountability would look like anarchy to
> > > you.
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> > Would you agree with the following:
> > =A0 You don't want people intruding into certain aspects of your life.
> > =A0 You believe you would have a better standard of living if others
> > =A0 =A0 =A0did not intrude into certain aspects of your life.
> > =A0 You have certain rights that are not negotiable and others must
> > =A0 =A0 =A0respect.
> > =A0 If others do not respect your rights then they will suffer the
> > =A0 =A0 =A0consequences of your retributive actions.
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> What I agree with is that all individuals have the right to exercise
> sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in
> whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly interfere
> with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they
> choose. =A0In other words, do as you wish as long as it does not
> encroach on someone else's rights, property, or freedoms through force
> or fraud.

That's only partially responsive.  The issue I raise is related to
when one feels one's rights, property, or freedoms have been violated
through force or fraud.  Things happen.  I'm asking you to commit
yourself to what is allowable under such conditions.