Re: Samuelson on OIl Drilling

On May 1, 6:20=A0am, Geo <taxpayer...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On May 1, 4:24 am, Geo <taxpayer...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On Apr 30, 9:15 pm, "Sid9" <s...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > >>> >> <vjp2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > >>> >>news:fv9eie$rsa$1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > >>> >>> It's in our interest to use up everybody else's oil
befo=
re our own.
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> > > > > > >>> >> It's not in our best interest to lower our standard of
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ving in the
> > > > > > >>> >> process, which is what the result will be.
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> > > > > > >>> > It is, in fact, very easy to _raise_ our standards of
livi=
ng while
> > > > > > >>> > reducing oil consumption.
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> > > > > > >>> > For example, as much as 5% of domestic electric
consummpti=
on is the
> > > > > > >>> > result
> > > > > > >>> > of instant on fetures in consumer electronics or
consumer =
electronics
> > > > > > >>> > that
> > > > > > >>> > are always on (cable modem are surprisingly greedy).
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> > > > > > >>> > Using existing technology to change this as new
electronic=
s are
> > > > > > >>> > purchased
> > > > > > >>> > would save the average family $12 a month. And at the
same=
 time it
> > > > > > >>> > would
> > > > > > >>> > eliminate the need for 2 or 3 large electric generating
pl=
ants. Or the
> > > > > > >>> > freed up power could be used to run 200,000 all electric
c=
ars.
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> > > > > > >>> > Larry
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> > > > > > >>> >> JG
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> > > > > > >>> >>> =A0 =A0 - =3D -
> > > > > > >>> >>> Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart,
Pin=
dus,
> > > > > > >>> >>> BioStrategist
> > > > > > >>> >>> =A0
=A0http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/vjp2/vas=
os.htm
> > > > > > >>> >>> =A0---{Nothing herein constitutes advice.
=A0Everything =
fully
> > > > > > >>> >>> disclaimed.}---
> > > > > > >>> >>> =A0 [Homeland Security means private firearms not lazy
o=
bstructive
> > > > > > >>> >>> guards]
> > > > > > >>> >>> [Urb sprawl confounds terror] [Remorse begets zeal]
[Win=
dows is for
> > > > > > >>> >>> Bimbos]
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> > > > > > >>> Replace every incandescent lamp with a CFL.....how much
will=
 that save?
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> > > > > > >>> Solar heat domestic hot war in our southern states...how
muc=
h will that
> > > > > > >>> save?
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> > > > > > >>> Restore the pre-Reagan energy saving rules...how much will
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hat save?
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> > > > > > >>> I'm sure there's a lot more that can be done on the
conserva=
tion side
> > > > > > >>> without reducing our quality of life.
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> > > > > > >>> We only need the leader****p...we surely do not have it in
th=
e
> > > > > > >>> Republicans.
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> > > > > > >> You know something, if you want to use a CFL, solar heat,
or =
any other
> > > > > > >> conservation method go right ahead and do it. =A0Why on
earth=
, in a free
> > > > > > >> society, do you need the govt telling you what kind of
lightb=
ulb you
> > > > > > >> need? =A0Really, is there no end to what you think govt
shoul=
d be doing
> > > > > > >> for you?
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> > > > > > > Ah, that ole libertarian crap.
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> > > > > > > I wanna do what I wanna do and noone can stop me.
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> > > > > > > No matter what damage I do to the property of others, what
rig=
hts of
> > > > > > > others I trample.
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> > > > > > > Everyone else should just shut up and let me do my =A0thing.
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> > > > > > > Yet when others try =A0this you whine and piss your pants.
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> > > > > > > Larry
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> > > > > > They hang the label "Libertarian" on themselves...actually
they =
are
> > > > > > anarchists
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> > > > > Sid, you've become so conditioned and accepting of big govt and
it=
s
> > > > > intrusion into every aspect of your life that anything
resembling
> > > > > personal responsibility or accountability would look like
anarchy =
to
> > > > > you.
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> > > > Would you agree with the following:
> > > > =A0 You don't want people intruding into certain aspects of your
lif=
e.
> > > > =A0 You believe you would have a better standard of living if
others=

> > > > =A0 =A0 =A0did not intrude into certain aspects of your life.
> > > > =A0 You have certain rights that are not negotiable and others
must
> > > > =A0 =A0 =A0respect.
> > > > =A0 If others do not respect your rights then they will suffer the
> > > > =A0 =A0 =A0consequences of your retributive actions.
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> > > What I agree with is that all individuals have the right to exercise
> > > sole dominion over their own lives, and have the right to live in
> > > whatever manner they choose, so long as they do not forcibly
interfere=

> > > with the equal right of others to live in whatever manner they
> > > choose. =A0In other words, do as you wish as long as it does not
> > > encroach on someone else's rights, property, or freedoms through
force=

> > > or fraud.
>
> > That's only partially responsive. =A0The issue I raise is related to
> > when one feels one's rights, property, or freedoms have been violated
> > through force or fraud. =A0Things happen. =A0I'm asking you to commit
> > yourself to what is allowable under such conditions.
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> What part of do as you wish as long as it does not encroach on someone
> else's rights, property, or freedoms through force or fraud aren't you
> understanding?

The part dealing with the case where it happens.  What rights and
freedoms do I have when I feel my rights, property, or freedoms have
been violated by others through force or fraud?  May I use force
in return or is this precluded by your philosophy?