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> "GWhyte" <gwhyte3003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > You are engaging in all sorts of ad hominem rhetoric but again failing
to
> > say anything substantial. You can keep on telling me how much I need
to
> get
> > educated but I'm afraid you're not very convincing for someone who is
SOOO
> > educated.
>
> I apologize for conveying that impression. I am in no position to brag
about
> any wisdom I possess. I am in search of wisdom, and have acquired little
of
> it. I am still just figuring out what I _don't_ know. I have spent much
of
> the past few years just correcting erroneous misconceptions I had of the
> history of man.
>
> Think of me as someone who was lost, spiritually, for the first half of
his
> life, and who is now, admittedly, committed to changing the world so
that
> others do not make the same mistakes I did.
>
> > You are basically dealing with something like an approach to a
religious
> > faith. We have to look at scientific evidence.
>
> You are thinking in a typically Western left-brain sort of way ... this
idea
> that everything must be separated, dissected, and then objectively
analyzed
> in a vacuum. The ancients unified all their areas of science with
religion.
Keep remembering this - the Ancients didn't know as much as comtem****ary
man
so don't make a fetish out of them.
> All scientific pursuits continued along the same path as the path to
become
> Ausar ... all involved the journey to Know Self. I am talking about the
> Principle of Correspondence ... "As above, so below."
>
> > In ancient times Egypt was
> > much more black than it is now but there was a substatial "white"
> presence.
> > If that goes against your "faith", I'm sorry. Afrocentrists imagine
that
> iot
> > was only with the invasion of the Hyskos that there was a substantial
> white
> > presence. Noboby else accepts that. But if you're an Afrocentrist it's
a
> > matter of faith.
>
> What I have been trying to do is ****ge you towards admitting, and
stating
> plainly, without all the _double-speak_ , what you clearly already know
....
> this being that the substantial contributions to civilization made by
Kemet
> were the results of it being an uniquely Afrikan society .... and not
due
to
> any minor influences by any folk who might be argued today as being
white
or
> "not black".
You need to ****ge me towards that? I must have been giving the wrong
impression. Even today there are hardly any "white" people in Southern
Egypt. Nevertheless from predynastic times there were substantial numbers
of
"white" people in the North. The neat North American differentiations of
white and black don't work as well elsewhere.
>
> You seem to be building a case which I think white folks started
preparing
a
> while back ... they had to grudgingly admit to themselves that all these
> Afro-Centrists were slowly making a dent in the world's thinking.
Someone
> hinted as much in an earlier post, referring to how difficult it was to
> change their students' minds about certain topics. I don't recall, was
that
> you?
I was taking about a particular hot-headed individual who was claiming
that
Cleopatra was "Nubian" when everyone knows she was Greek and the first of
the Ptolemys to actually speak Egyptian.
Even President Clinton said once, in public no less, that ancient Egypt
> was black .... So, White Folks are gearing up to fall back to backup
> argument #2:
>
> BACKUP ARGUMENT #2:
>
> "Okay, yeah, you are right, we'll admit that, at the very least, most of
> Kemet was black. But, we all know black folks are inferior, we don't say
it
> out loud, but we show it in a thousand different ways, don't we? So, it
just
> MUST have been at least a few white folks there and, hence, it was this
> minority of white folks who managed to lead those poor ignorant savages
into
> building a true society."
>
> Friend, admit the truth. If we were ever to get to a place where you
admit
> that Black Folks made ancient Kemet what it was, a big flourescent light
> would come on from on high. It would immediately become clear that ...
hey,
> since that is true, then this means, beyond argument, that the entire
> premise of White Supremacy is pure, grade A, 100% horse manure. Why
should
> admitting that be such a difficult thing for a human being, one who acts
out
> of love, to embrace? Think carefully about how to answer this question,
> because within its answer lies all the reasons for why seemingly "good"
> white people still end up allowing White Supremacy to exist and
flourish.
You don't need to tell ME about racism. All I'm saying is that we have to
let scientific evidence come to the fore instead of anyone accepting stuff
purely on "faith".
>
> Here is something which should shake the very foundations of your
beliefs.
> Take a quick glance at the following link. It provides a glimpse into
how
a
> white racist mind deduces that whites are what Hitler called the "Master
> Race". This is, of course, just one of many Nazi web sites. But, what
> should really trouble you is that some of the things you are hinting at
this
> bottom feeder is flat out saying ... loudly and proudly:
>
> http://www.white-history.com/
>
> > > Semites (change this to White Folks)
> >
> > Linguistic research indicates that the Semitic language group started
in
> > Ethiopia. Check out the Linguistics department of the University of
> Chicago.
> > So your fantasy about white Semites is based on your Biblical
> brainwa****ng.
>
> I mentioned at the end of my last post that there was much you did not
know,
> and that this would result in what I am about to say now not making a
lot
of
> sense to you. This was not a knock against your intelligence. It was
meant
> to prick your intellectual curiosity, to encourage you to dig a little
> deeper below the surface ... if for no other reason than to prove me
wrong.
>
> Of course, by definition of the very word itself, a pure blooded white
> person (good luck finding one) could not be a Semite. And yet, we live
in
a
> world where certain people, who appear to be white, are commonly
referred
to
> as Semites. If you dare utter a word about them which is not 100%
> complementary, all mainline media outlets will brand you an anti-semite.
One more time. The Semitic language group first saw the light of day in
East
Africa. Let anyone challenge me on that. I had forgeotten that on a
moderated group one can't send attachments and had tried to send a map.
The
African origin of Jews is no secret.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0806519703/ref=pd_sim_b_5/104-0612983-4052756?%5Fencoding=UTF8&v=glance
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1570715866/104-0612983-4052756?v=glance
> Even a liberal democratic ex-President will step before the media podium
and
> denounce the good you may be trying to accomplish in your life. You can
put
> together a plan to organize millions of black people, to have them meet
at
> Wa****ngton, DC, peacefully, without weapons, and the entire American
press
> will either ignore what you are doing, or criticize it as being
anti-Semite.
Get this straight - whatever particular truths Farrakhan may speak of, the
Nation of Islam is A RACIST GROUP. Take it from me.
> But, now .... (stay with me, seek to intuit Divine wisdom which so
exceeds
> what man could ever logically deduce solely from science) ... what if
> these people, these so-called Semites, are really just garden variety
white
> folks ... with no more claim to being the Chosen People, to being
> descendants of the 12 tribes of Israel, than George W. Bush?
There is NOTHING to indicvate that any people have been chosen by any
supposedly divine creature. All people have myths about their origins.
It's
just that the majority of people in the world seem to have accepted a
particular myth coming out of the Midd, er, Western Asia (as you would
prefer me to say - don't want you getting on your high horses again).
>
> What if the very scriptures, that these pretenders-to-the-throne claim
to
> have written themselves, predict that there would be a people, non-Jews
who
> claim they are Jews, who would corrupt the Good News brought into the
world
> by Jesus, but would ultimately bow at the feet of the true Believers?
What if the whole book had no real foundation in scientific or historical
truth?o
>
> Rev 3:9
>
> "Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are
> Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and
wor****p
> before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."
No point in quoting scripture to me - I don't believe it.
>
> > > Were you ever taught the history of the Khazars, or why most Jews
are
> > either
> > > Ashkenazis or Shephardics, or why the vast majority of Jews are
> > Ashkenazis?
> >
> > You're going all over the world, to what point I'm all in a tizzy to
see.
>
> And, so, we take baby steps towards the Original Truth ...
Who knows anything about the Original Truth? Are you referring to the Big
Bang?
>
> > > Go to your local libray, check out a copy of Arthur Koestler's "The
> > > Thriteenth Tribe." Read it, and then afterwards we have much to talk
> > about.
> > > But, there is still too much you do not know for what I am saying to
> make
> > > much sense.
> >
> > Sorry, I don't have the time to pursue quests which may not be of
major
> > im****tance to the issues at hand. Suffice it to say that your
Bible-based
> > interpretation of history would embarrass you if you were to address
an
> > audience of historian, archaeologists and linguists. You can only
impress
> > the ignorant.
>
> Change comes slow, I know, believe me I know. Just read the book. If
what
> you read strikes you as foolishness, denounce it then, but not before
you
> have even read a word. If you won't bother to educate yourself on the
topic
> we are discussing, it would better to just admit that this topic doesn't
> interest you and bow gracefully out of the connversation.
The 13th Tribe would, a priori, shed no light on human history if it is
being discussed, as I suspect, in terms of a supposedly "Chosen People".
If
you have something precise to recommend the book, go ahead and say so.
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