On Fri, 20 Jan 2006 15:01:01 CST, Chris Morton <cmorton@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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wrote:
>>at the time. But in neither case were we lied to on the level that
>>Bush did with Iraq. Maybe I was foolish, but I agreed to the
>>intervention in Afghanistan. But Iraq was, and is, totally beyond the
>>pale.
>
>I see no evidence that we were lied to at all. Certainly Bush may have
been
>wrong about a variety of things, but then so were Bill Clinton, Jacques
Chirac
>and Gerhardt Schroeder. The difference is that Bush actually DID
something.
>And that's what really pisses people off, isn't it? It's ok to speak
gravely of
>the need to "do something" just as long as you actually DON'T.
...you don't see because you don't want to see. Bush manipulated the
evidence, that has been brought out after the fact. Or maybe you
haven't been paying attention to the whole Plame affair? The memo from
10 Downing Street? The majority of the UN voted against our invading
Iraq and Bush twisted some arms, spread some lies and went in anyway.
And now, his totally irrational insistence that we stay is giving the
insurgent/terrorists more training and recruitment bonuses than they
could have scored in decades. He is spending all of our money over
there when it could be spent over here making things safer. As it is,
we are no better off than we were on 9-10.
>As to Afghanistan, what would be your alternative? The argument that we
should
>have kept trying to "extradite" bin Laden from Afghanistan is as foolish
as a
>claim that the proper reaction to Pearl Harbor would have been to try to
>"extradite" Tojo, Yamamoto, Genda and ****hida. I find it doubly ironic
that
>some who are SO incensed at our having toppled the Taliban for aiding,
abetting
>and tolerating bin Laden, CHEERED the BATF and FBI attacks on the Branch
>Davidians, when the latter hadn't so much as THREATENED anyone, nevermind
>murdered 3,000 people or harbored anyone who did.
...I don't know where you're going with this now. The Branch Davidians
were largely a joke. And I said I agreed with Afghanistan, we just
didn't finish the job. If our intel is so bad that we can't find and
deal with these people there, we should get and stay the hell out. We
need to fight terrorism the same way they are fighting us. Behind the
scenes and with stealth. These BS invasions on false pretexts are
media events. It got your fool re-elected, but at what cost? I've read
the final cost on Iraq could go between 1 and 2 trillion with
everything being considered. Was G.W. Bush worth it? I have to say no,
and neither was his father.
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