Re: Obama backtracks and babbles

pinky wrote:
> On Mar 22, 12:58 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> pinky wrote:
>>
>>> Instead he continued to dodge issues or obfuscate them with a "he
>>> said, she said" contest, throwing everyone, including his beloved
>>> grandmother, under the bus to save himself. I liked him better when
>>> he spoke a lot and said nothing. Still not saying much, but.....
>>
>> How did he throw Granny under the bus? Are you disputing the actual
>> gist of what he said?
>
> I'm disputing the relevance of an alleged remark made over--what?  40
> years ago?  Within the context of an era gone by, not contem****ary
> society.
>

He was relating an anecdote to illustrate that because one says things
like 
that, it does not neccessarily follow that the indivdual is racist.  Talk 
about a misinterpretation.  Either that or you completely missed the
point. 
Do you really take away from that, that his grandmother...the woman who 
raided him...was herself, a racist???

That era is not nearly as bygone as you (and others) would like to think.

> Do you not think most white people would react the same way
>> when walking alone down a street with several young black men
>> approaching?
>
> I'm a woman.  A gang of white or black males approaching would be
> viewed as equally suspicious.
>
>> That's just an unfortunate, if understandable fact of life. Do you
>> think there is anyone totally without those types of feelings
>> regardless of their politics or race? Do you not think a white
>> person has some amount of fear and trepidation in a predominantly
>> black neighborhood...or a black person in a predominantly white
>> neighborhood?
>
> Economic status is more of an indicator of crime than color.  I
> wouldn't walk through any neighborhood with a reputation for crime.
>

*** is irrelevant.  Numbers are much more on point.  You obviously spend 
little if any time walking inner city streets.

> Just the very fact that there exist so
>> many of those predominantly *any* color or ethnicity type of
>> neighborhoods is proof positive of the problem of racism still
>> existing.
>
> In some neighborhoods, sure.  Do you expect Obama to change local
> dynamics of neighborhoods?  Neighbors will love and tolerate each
> other and together fight crime because Obama is president?!  That
> happens on a local and individual basis.  If you want change, change
> your behavior.  Don't pass it off as the sagacity or effectiveness of
> Obama.  He's a new face on the scene spouting the same recycled
> rhetoric of yesteryear.  It's time to move forward with solutions.
>

It won't hurt.  Though I'm not saying he will change things by his very 
presence...it would go a long way towards symbolically instilling hope in 
young black people who have yet to see a black face (or anything but a
white 
male face) in the highest office.  That can't help but make an impact. 
That's not why I'm sup****ting him.  I will also sup****t Clinton if she
wins 
the nomination.  I want the corrupt and immoral (not to mention criminally

stupid) Republicans out of that office.  I believe more strongly in the 
im****tance of that now, more than I ever have.  I believe this may be the 
most im****tant turning point for our country in my lifetime...and I'm no 
spring chicken.  For that reason alone, I will not savage either Democrat
in 
this election.  I just find Obama refre****ng and of strong moral
character, 
despite some blemishes.  They *all* have some.  I think it is time to move

forward all right.  His path seems far more on that trajectory than any 
other candidate.  Is he perfect?  Hell no...neither is Hillary...or you or

I, I dare say.