Re: Obama backtracks and babbles

"Dano" <janeanddano@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> pinky wrote:
>> On Mar 22, 4:10 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>> pinky wrote:
>>>> On Mar 22, 12:58 pm, "Dano" <janeandd...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>> pinky wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Instead he continued to dodge issues or obfuscate them with a "he
>>>>>> said, she said" contest, throwing everyone, including his beloved
>>>>>> grandmother, under the bus to save himself. I liked him better
>>>>>> when he spoke a lot and said nothing. Still not saying much,
>>>>>> but.....
>>>
>>>>> How did he throw Granny under the bus? Are you disputing the actual
>>>>> gist of what he said?
>>>
>>>> I'm disputing the relevance of an alleged remark made over--what? 40
>>>> years ago? Within the context of an era gone by, not contem****ary
>>>> society.
>>>
>>> He was relating an anecdote to illustrate that because one says
>>> things like that, it does not neccessarily follow that the indivdual
>>> is racist.
>>
>> "Typical white woman."  A man of such eloquence could not express
>> himself in a way that did not highlight race?  Put that "typical white
>> woman" in context to the era in which it was spoken.
>>
>
> Try putting it in *any* context...at all!  (BTW...it was only three 
> words...try getting at least those three, out of context words,
right...he 
> said person not woman)
>

If anyone had referred to a "typical black person" in any sort of context,

would you not slap the "racist" label on that person? It's called a 
stereotype, and it doesn't matter whether or not the speaker is black or 
white. Stop excusing the racism, just because he is black.



>> And the operative word is "follow."  Obama follows Wright.  Wright
>> distributes his fiery sermons via cd, publicly spreading his animosity
>> for the entire country.  It's not analogous to a woman expressing fear
>> within an era that PREACHED and taught fear of other races.  Society
>> was less diverse.
>>
>
> Bull.  Do *you* even believe this claptrap you are spewing?  Or are you 
> just that freaking paranoid?  I fully expect your next post to warn of
the 
> coming race war...when the negroes rise up against the white man.  You
are 
> truly veering into hysteria.
>
>> Talk
>>> about a misinterpretation. Either that or you completely missed the
>>> point. Do you really take away from that, that his grandmother...the
>>> woman who raided him...was herself, a racist???
>>
>> Of course not.
>>
>> I take from it a petty man making false analogies between one woman's
>> fear relevant to the era and a contemo****ary pastor with an audience,
>> congregation and connection to Farrakhan.
>>>
>>> That era is not nearly as bygone as you (and others) would like to
>>> think.
>>>
>>>
>> Apparently not.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Do you not think most white people would react the same way
>>>>> when walking alone down a street with several young black men
>>>>> approaching?
>>>
>>>> I'm a woman. A gang of white or black males approaching would be
>>>> viewed as equally suspicious.
>>>
>>>>> That's just an unfortunate, if understandable fact of life. Do you
>>>>> think there is anyone totally without those types of feelings
>>>>> regardless of their politics or race? Do you not think a white
>>>>> person has some amount of fear and trepidation in a predominantly
>>>>> black neighborhood...or a black person in a predominantly white
>>>>> neighborhood?
>>>
>>>> Economic status is more of an indicator of crime than color. I
>>>> wouldn't walk through any neighborhood with a reputation for crime.
>>>
>>> *** is irrelevant. Numbers are much more on point. You obviously
>>> spend little if any time walking inner city streets.
>>
>> I lived in the city before I didn't live in the city, and after I
>> lived in the suburbs, in which I now still reside.  A newer, peaceful
>> mixed neighborhood of shared neighborhood values.
>>
>>>> Just the very fact that there exist so
>>>>> many of those predominantly *any* color or ethnicity type of
>>>>> neighborhoods is proof positive of the problem of racism still
>>>>> existing.
>>>
>>>> In some neighborhoods, sure. Do you expect Obama to change local
>>>> dynamics of neighborhoods? Neighbors will love and tolerate each
>>>> other and together fight crime because Obama is president?! That
>>>> happens on a local and individual basis. If you want change, change
>>>> your behavior. Don't pass it off as the sagacity or effectiveness of
>>>> Obama. He's a new face on the scene spouting the same recycled
>>>> rhetoric of yesteryear. It's time to move forward with solutions.
>>>
>>> It won't hurt. Though I'm not saying he will change things by his
>>> very presence...it would go a long way towards symbolically
>>> instilling hope in young black people who have yet to see a black
>>> face (or anything but a white male face) in the highest office.
>>
>> I completely understand this sentiment.  But it *is* symbolic, and if
>> he had more experience it wouldn't be an issue.  Symbolism won't
>> change government.  It may change the morale of people, but how low
>> will morale dip if he fails to deliver?  Maybe by next election cycle
>> he will change for the better and earn some experience and trust from
>> the American people. I'm open to that.  But right now, no. I'm waiting
>> for *him* to *change.*
>>
>> And we all know that doesn't happen over-night.
>>
>
> Perhaps not.  But this is as good a time as any given the poor options. 
> If he is cheated out of this nomination by way of underhanded tactics,
it 
> will sour another generation of young voters.  It will be hard to get
them 
> back. Still, as I said, I will give my vote to anyone who can throw the 
> bums out that have brought this country to this very disturbing point. 
If 
> McCain can manage to defeat the Democrat this time, we are in serious 
> trouble as a nation and the Democrats will be seen as a disaster.  I
still 
> find it hard to believe Bush was elected twice.