John McCain: Privileged 'War Hero', Liar, Colloborator, Traitor
Part 1
Editor's Note: I transcribed the dialog of a 5 part video interview on
June
22, 2007 between
retired Army Colonel Earl Hopper and Gerard Kiley of Veterans Against John
McCain. To make the
reading flow easier, I removed the repeated phrases, false starts, etc.
that
hamper a printed
version of an unrehearsed conversation. Earl Hopper had spent 30 years
with
the Army in Airborne
Special services and with Army Intelligence and was a founding member of
the
National League of
Families dedicated to retuning living POWs and MIAs of the Vietnam War.
The impression that McCain and the media has attempted to ****tray of
McCain's 5 1/2 years as a
prisoner of war in North Vietnam is about as far from the truth that one
could possible go.
McCain, from the first moments of his capture, had behaved as a
COLLOBORATOR
and propaganda tool
for his North Vietnamese captors. McCain had engaged in no less than 30,
and
likely as many as 38
anti-American propaganda broadcasts for Radio Hanoi during the period of
his
captivity. Far from
the image of a dedicated American "hero" sweating it out in a North
Vietnamese prisoner's
"hotbox" for 5 1/2 years, McCain was often given "special" treatment by
his
captors, who were
fully aware of his father's and grandfather's 4 star admiral positions
with
the Navy. No one has
ever witnessed McCain's supposed "torture" at the hands of his jailers.
The
consensus opinion of
other POWs in McCain's camps was that McCain was NEVER tortured by the
North
Vietnamese. McCain's
disgraceful and wholly reprehensible conduct (along with John Kerry)
during
the 1991-93 Senate
Committee on POW/MIAs leaves no doubt that McCain is a traitor to this
country and its veterans
and especially to the families of POWs and MIAs. ..Ken Adachi].
By Ret. Col. Earl Hopper < tfoinc@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
Interviewer, Jerry Kiley
Audio Transcriped by Ken Adachi
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/earlhopperinterview08feb08.shtml
February 8, 2008
The video interview is divided into 5 parts:
Part 1:
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/Hopper_Interview_Part1_Corrected.wmv
June 22, 2007 interview between Ret. Army Col. Earl Hopper and Interviewer
Gerard "Jerry" Kiley
of Veterans Against John McCain
(http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com)
Earl Hopper: I'm a US Army retired colonel. I spent 30 year in the Army. I
was Airborne Special
Forces, I fought in Europe, Korea, and Vietnam. My oldest son was also on
active duty, He was in
the Air Force and shot down over North Vietnam. He remains missing in
action. Although the
government has declared him dead, we have no body; no evidence of his
death.
I first became familiar with the present senator from Arizona, John McCain
(and I hate to say
"from Arizona" because I'm a native of Arizona. I was born and raised
there,
and still live
there) but, from the very beginning, in talking to the returned POWs, in
the
very beginning we
began to hear some very bad things about John McCain and his activities
while he was in the POW
camps.
As an example (and I'll quote this because it can be checked out), he
personally wrote an article
in the magazine [US News & World Re****t] , wherein he stated that during
the
time he was in
prison (in fact I think it was 5 or 7 days after he was captured) he asked
the [North] Vietnamese
to take him to the hospital, the Vietnamese hospital. And in so doing, he
promised them that he
would would give the classified military information.
They did. He did.
They took him to the hospital, questioned him, and he gave highly
classified
information. The
most im****tant of which was he gave the "package route", which was the
route
to bomb North
Vietnam. He told in detail the altitude they were flying, the direction,
if
they made a turn, and
how to get (into N. Vietnam ?) He also gave them where the targets were;
of
their primary entry.
Whether it was a railroad; whether is was a bridge; whether it was an
ammunition or fuel dump; or
whatever it was, he gave them the primary targets the United States was
interested in.
After he gave them that information, the Vietnamese naturally moved their
anti- aircraft defenses
into those areas and built them up and strengthened them. They also moved
the rockets, aircraft
weapons, into the "package route" of where the airplanes were flying in or
egressing. The result
of this, according to the information that came out later on, in
intelligence, was that the
Vietnamese started knocking down our aircraft in greater amounts than they
had before. In fact,
there was an estimate that we started losing 60% more aircraft and more
men
than we had
previously. This went on for about a month, and it got so bad, that they
finally called off the
bombing of North Vietnam because of the information that McCain had given
to
them.
(Video clip 2)
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_hopper_video2.htm
When he returned, there were several of the American prisoners, to include
five colonels, Colonel
Ted Guy, was the one that wanted to prefer charges against McCain and two
or
three other returned
POWs because during the time they were in prison, they were not acting in
accordance with the
military code. And as a result of these other colonels wanting to prefer
charges against them,
the Secretaries of the services got together and they decided that, No,
they
did not want these
'renegade' (my word, renegade) prisoners of war coming home to be charged
and court marshaled.
They had played up the prisoners of war as "heroes" during their
homecoming
[Operation
Homecoming-negotiated return of American POWS to America]. They didn't
want
anything now to
"disturb" that view that they had given to the American people; that the
American people picked
up. All returned POWs, if you remember, were "heroes" when they first come
home. And they didn't
want to disturb that view.
So the Secretaries of the armed services decided and told the other POWs
that they would not
allow these particular POWs to be charged and be court marshaled over
their
activities while in
the POW camps. Consequently, none of the POWs ever went into the court;
[and] never had any legal
action taken against them for being traitors while they were in captivity.
Interviewer: Earl, is it true that I heard mentioned before, that McCain
did
not receive any
increase in his military rank, which was common. Could you just talk about
that for a second?
That's true.
A man, if he's in captivity, and either a prisoner of war or missing in
action, is on active
duty; the very same as if he was stationed right here in the United
States.
He gets his
promotions, along with his peers. He gets his increase in pay, his wife
still gets the allowance
that he sent to her and so forth. And he is promoted, along with his
peers,
here in the States.
Both in the same year group, as prisoners of war, missing in action; gets
promoted along with the
active duty people.
McCain did not do it. He did not get promoted even when he returned.
Now, the Navy knew of his activities while he was in the POW camp because
the enemy [North
Vietnamese] widely broadcast over their radio, what McCain was doing. And
in
fact, praised McCain
for doing it.
So he got no promotion at all while he was in captivity.
Other POWs, that were in captivity at the same time, they got their
promotion at the time they
were supposed to.
(video clip 3)
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_hopper_video3.htm
Interviewer: And I understand that most POWs in that time frame that
McCain
was there, 5 1/2
years, would have received at least one promotion, if not two promotions,
during that time frame.
Is that correct?
They would have received, yes, at least one, and possibly two. It all
depends on when their date
of rank was before they went down. Many of them got a promotion early
after
their captivity,
after they were captured, and then they stayed long enough to get another
promotion after that.
My son, for example, was shot down and was carried as 'missing in action';
not as a prisoner of
war, but 'missing in action'. And he went from first lieutenant to
Lieutenant Colonel in a
'missing in action' status before they finally declared him dead.
Interviewer: And Earl, some people say that what McCain did was at the
very
least collaboration
and at worst, treasonous. Would you say that you would agree with that?
No. I agree with only one part of it. He was treasonous.
McCain, for what he did while he was in captivity, was a traitor. Because
he
gave information to
the enemy, classified, military information to the enemy, which caused the
deaths of many of his
fellow aviators that came in behind him.
Interviewer: He is your senator and he's running for president. What's
your
feelings about that?
My feeling is: first, he's not MY senator. He is just from Arizona. He's
not
a native of Arizona,
thank God. He came in there because certain political influences here in
the
States, say "if you
go to Arizona, Barry Goldwater is retiring, and that's a good place where
you can fill in, and
you got the name of a hero." The Republican Party got behind him and he
went
in there and he got
the nomination and the election-unfortunately.
I have never liked McCain, either professionally, Militarily, politically,
or personally. I just
never did care for him. And it's certainly nothing personal that we had
over
him. [However,]It
became personal.
One day there was a hearing here in Wa****ngton on the [Earl said "Korean",
but meant Vietnam]
prisoners of war, missing in action by the Senate POW committee. McCain
came
into the Hart Senate
office building from his office about the same time that I came in from
the
outside and we kind
of came together and I said "Hello John"
He turned around and looked at me and said: "I don't like what you said
about my wife!"
I never met his wife. I didn't know his wife. I couldn't even tell you her
name, even today.
I said "Well, what did I say about your wife, John? I don't remember
saying
anything."
And he said "Oh, forget it".
I said "No, I want to know. You said I said something about your wife. I
want to know what it is
you're accusing me of" . And he wouldn't answer me.
I said "John, you're a liar".
And we were within, oh, five feet of each other.
(video clip 4)
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_hopper_video4.htm
And he turned, and he turned as red as the bars on the United States flag;
from his neck up, you
could see, the red come out. And I said "John, I said you were a God damn
liar!".
It was plenty loud. He heard it because he was only a few steps away from
me. He said nothing and
continued to walk away.
John has no courage of any kind. I wouldn't allow someone, even though...
if
I were a senator and
a taxpayer come in and called me a liar, I would stop and get it settled
right there. And in his
case, all he had to do was say "I'm sorry, I made a mistake" and that's
all.
But he didn't have
the nerve to do it or the courage.
No, McCain is not MY senator. I have no respect for him personally or
professionally.
Interviewer:: And as far as the presidential, eh, do you think he would
make
a decent president?
Absolutely not! That would be the biggest mistake the voters of this
country
could make if they
elected John McCain as president. John McCain doesn't have nerve enough to
do anything. He would
do whatever money PAID him to do, from the voters, that's all. He has no
personal courage
whatsoever.
Interviewer: Do you feel betrayed by McCain?
Absolutely. Every American should feel betrayed by McCain, and especially
every military man and
especially the pilots that flew in Vietnam after McCain was captured.
I've been to Hanoi. I've seen that sign that they put up for him where he
was captured, there by
the lake. The sign even made [had] a mistake on it. They called him [said]
that he was from the
US Air Force. They also called him McCann, not McCain.
So everything dealing with that man is wrong, and it would be the worst
mistake this country
could make to nominate and select him president.
Interviewer:: Could you just, eh because I don't think we touched on it,
your credentials. You
were a board member of the National League of Families?
Yes, I was a charter member of the national league of families. I was in
Wa****ngton here when we
first met, with Senator Barry Goldwater from Arizona, and Senator Bob Dole
from Kansas, And they
encouraged us, as a family group, to incor****ate . By being incor****ated,
we
could have more
effect on congress and other politicians; rather than just have a loose
group of family members.
And I was one of the original ones. As a matter of fact, I think I'm the
only living member of
that original group now.
(video clip 5)
http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_hopper_video5.htm
In the following year, 1970, we met again here in Wa****ngton, and after
discussion, we
incor****ated and become The National .... Families of American Prisoners
(???) in Southeast Asia.
I ran for the board of directors after one or two years and was elected to
it. I was a member of
the board of directors for some 12 or 14 years. I was the chairman of the
board of directors for
about 8 years at that time. I also served two years as the executive
director of the National
League of Families and I ran their national Wa****ngton office. I was also
state coordinator for
the League in Arizona. I'm now the vice chairman or the vice president if
you will, of the POW
organization known as Task Force Omega which is incor****ated.
We do an awful lot on POW/MIA work. My wife is a research analyst . She's
written a book that
lists every man as missing, prisoner, returned, or unreturned. And she
gets
calls from all over
the country-including the government- asking her for information that we
have on the POW/MIAs .
She's a wonderful researcher.
Interviewer:: We were against John Kerry and we defeated him when 4 years
ago, when he ran, or
less than 4 years ago, but the last election. What's your feelings as far
as
Kerry's relation****p
or McCain's relation****p with Kerry?
They're two of a kind.
Kerry is a liar. He put himself in for a Silver Star which the actions
were
not true. He put
himself in three times for the Purple Heart, when he was not qualified,
because a Purple Heart
has to be treated by a doctor. And the wound has to be caused by the
enemy.
In Kerry's case, and he omitted this, his Purple Heart was caused were by,
some of them, by
ru****ng scratches. But all of them were treated by his local boat medic,
who
was not a doctor,
who was just an aids man. So his Purple Hearts didn't even qualify. And
this
was evidenced by a
number of members of his crew that turned against Kerry while he was
running
and said no, Kerry
was lying. And I believe them.
Interviewer:: And their relation****p, though, in terms of.., you said they
were two of a kind.
Two of a kind in terms of..how did they affect-both of them together-the
POW
issue?
They're both liars. Neither of them has any effective combat command
experience, as they claim
they do. They're very low character. You can't trust either of them
because
they do not tell the
truth.
Interviewer:: And as far as their effect on the POW issue, in terms of
information gathering and
the release (?) (words trail off)
Neither of them. Neither of them has ....on the POW issue.
Patty Hopper: Earl, when they were on the Senate Select Committee, what
effect did their behavior
have on the POW/MIA issue, both John Kerry and JOhn McCain?
John McCain,. when he was on the Senate POW/MIA committee, was not loyal
to
our POWs. Every time
a witness appeared that was on our side, to include family members, he
would
pressure them. John
McCain is not pro-POW.
Interviewer: Just to clarify, what committee are we talking about?
John McCain was on the Senate POW/MIA committee which was composed of
about
ten members from the
Senate on that committee.
Interviewer: 1992, correct?
Yes
John was not pro-family member; he was not a pro-POW, unreturned POW
member.
He was opposed to
anything that we tried to do. As a result, John McCain again reflected his
disloyalty to the US
service man and their families by not working for the prisoners of war,
not
attempting to (return
them home ?).
So, I have no confidence in John McCain. It would be the biggest mistake
this country could make
to ever put that man in the White House. I'm not a Republican anymore, I
was
at one time, but if
I were, if the Republicans nominated John McCain, they would lose two of
their members, my wife
and I.
Patty Hopper: Earl, how did John McCain treat POW/MIA families?
In his questioning of the various witnesses, we had several POW/MIA family
members that would
testify at the committee hearings. McCain made a special effort,
especially
on the ladies, to
criticize them, speak harshly, and get them to crying. He wanted to break
down the family members
and break their spirit so that they would not come out and appear good at
the hearings.
He did that also on one or two government witnesses who testified in favor
of the returned POWs,
or I should say the unreturned POWs and their families. He went to great
length to try to get the
government witnesses prove what they were saying by producing the
evidence,
the papers, which
they were quoting. He did. It didn't bother McCain.
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1. To: JoeSnuffy, mudboy slim, liberator, jackelope breeder, blackhorse,
kinetik, buckeye, uncle
bill, auntb, out damned spot, kjmill, itzlzha, fitz, mcgowanjm, seen2much,
sparker (#0)
As an example (and I'll quote this because it can be checked out), he
personally wrote an article
in the magazine [US News & World Re****t] , wherein he stated that during
the
time he was in
prison (in fact I think it was 5 or 7 days after he was captured) he asked
the [North] Vietnamese
to take him to the hospital, the Vietnamese hospital. And in so doing, he
promised them that he
would would give the classified military information.
They did. He did.
Happy2BMe-OnLP posted on 2008-02-13 07:27:21 ET (1 image) Reply
Trace
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2. To: Happy2BMe-OnLP (#0)
You know you're living in a bizarre period of history when a multinational
Obama, a Clinton, and
Manchurian Candidate McCain are the front-runners, and a tax-hiking ,
hispandering Huckabee can
appeal to evangelicals.
Americans better wake up. Ron Paul is hope when these fools are just
another
brick in the wall.
buckeye posted on 2008-02-13 07:27:33 ET Reply Trace
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3. To: buckeye (#2)
This Republic is owned. But NOT by the American People.
The leaders of this nation are a separate breed, born from the same seed
as
John McCain, George
Bush, and Bill Clinton.
We're ripe for destruction.
Happy2BMe-OnLP posted on 2008-02-13 07:30:28 ET Reply Trace
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4. To: Happy2BMe-OnLP (#3)
To free themselves, people should start by turning off their televisions.
buckeye posted on 2008-02-13 07:41:46 ET Reply Trace
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5. To: buckeye (#4)
I used to only watch the news. Now I try not to watch the news.
It is all propaganda to prepare us for the North American Union.
The "Great Awakening II" is upon us.
Happy2BMe-OnLP posted on 2008-02-13 07:48:39 ET Reply Trace
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6. To: Happy2BMe-OnLP (#0)
Thank you for this post. You keep posting this, forever if necessary. Not
every one of us is in
here every day, so some may have missed it the first time. Again, thank
you.
leroy posted on 2008-02-13 08:20:44 ET Reply Trace
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7. To: Happy2BMe-OnLP (#1)
I've never been a POW and don't know how I would hold up under the strain,
so I don't feel
particularly comfortable chastising McCain on his performance under the
hellish strain.
There are a lot of things to not like McCain about (McCain/Feingold,
McCain/Kennedy,
McCain/Lieberman), but this ain't one of them, imho.
Regards...MUD
Mudboy Slim posted on 2008-02-13 08:39:55 ET Reply Trace
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8. To: Happy2BMe-OnLP (#5)
I used to have Fox News on all the time, never touched the remote - hell,
I
even watched Greta
sometimes! Now I never watch any news, ever. I listen to Rush and I come
here for news. That's
it.
leroy posted on 2008-02-13 10:15:29 ET Reply Trace
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9. To: Happy2BMe-OnLP (#0)
John, I said you were a God damn liar!"
Let's not forget the biggest tax payer bailout of a private interprise -
Keating's S&L - thanks
to Johnny and his 4 senate buddies the bailout cost you and me 1.3 billion
dollars.
fiddler posted on 2008-02-13 10:41:01 ET Reply Trace
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10. To: Happy2BMe-OnLP (#0)
Just wait until McCain is given the nomination. Then from August-October
the
knives will be
coming out from the MSM. You can be well assured the Clintons have plenty
of
skeletons for
McCain's closet to drag out. McCain has such a sordid history that there
are
least 3 major
skeletons - between his activities as POW, his Keating scandal, and his
abandonment of his first
wife while she was in hospital after an accident.
fogarty posted on 2008-02-13 10:46:46 ET Reply Trace
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11. To: fogarty, mudboy slim, joesnuffy, leroy, blackhorse, uncle bill,
itzlzha (#10)
McCain has such a sordid history that there are least 3 major skeletons -
between his activities
as POW, his Keating scandal, and his abandonment of his first wife while
she
was in hospital
after an accident.
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That pretty much sums up what the GOP has to to American Conservatives
everywhere ...
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