"_ G O D _" <DEMIGOD@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgroups@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "_ G O D _" wrote in news:lyHXj.2724$Yp.1813@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgroups@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> "_ G O D _" wrote
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>>>>> "Gray Ghost" <grey_ghost471-newsgroups@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> ... The fact that this is true does not make this a racist
>>>>>> statement. Simple examination of the statistics bear it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Simple fact that the ongoing color-coded slavery and
>>>>> genocide against defenseless segment of population
>>>>> in US is still being deliberately perpetuated must also
>>>>> be taken in the account, if you wish to discuss racism...
>>>>
>>
>>> ...<snip>...irrelevant crap has been carefully removed.......
>>>
>>>> I could not care less what color someone's skin is,
>>>> I can usually find enough reasons to like or dislike
>>>> them well before that becomes an issue.
>>>
>>> But the deliberate perpetuation of color-coded slavery
>>> and genocide has always been an ongoing issue in US.
>>> Or at least it has been an issue for last 60 years, since
>>> the time of universal abolition of all forms of slavery by
>>> the UDHR. Therefore, regardless of the reasons of your
>>> liking or disliking black people, their skin color shouldn't
>>> be the cause for traditional discrimination and ongoing
>>> capitalization from brutal exploitation of their slave labor....
>>
>> Do you really exoect anyone to seriously consider
>> that the United States is still engaging in slavery?
>
> If you are unaware of the deliberate perpetuation of
> ongoing slavery in US, which is traditionally slanted
> on color-coded discrimination of people in violation
> of the Human Rights, you can read US Constitution,
> where slavery is being allowed against the convicts...
> And because all forms of slavery were abolished by
> Article 4 of the Human Rights, its practice has been
> in brutal violation of the Human Rights for 60 years....
>
>> Why don't you take your profanity laced invective and go
>> save people who are truly in need of saving rather than
>> attempting to damage thios country with your insane ravings?
>
> I condemn every other country with gulag economy,
> where slave labor of defenseless hostages of the
> incarceration industry and the victims of completely
> corrupt and criminal judicial system is being used
> for illegal capitalization to benefit their ruling elites...
Instead of some opium induced dream about slavery in the present day
United
States for which there is no evidence how about Sudan?
What have you done to help real slaves living lives of terror, pain,
***ual
bondage, death and forced religious conversions?
Perhaps until you can distinguish between actual, observable slavery that
the
world through the UN appears to want to ignore and imagined slavery in the
US
which I can comfortably say almost no sane person thinks to be the case
you
should stop posting.
Your clear antiamerican bias is repulsive and does you no credit or
credibility.
Are there slaves in Sudan?
There are no public auctions; there is no systematic branding... But women
and children, particularly from Southern Sudanese communities, have been
seized in violent raids on villages by fighters armed by the government in
the civil war. They are forced into servitude on farms or in houses, often
***ually exploited, and sometimes sold by their captors.
How many slaves are there?
Several thousand have been enslaved in the last ten years. It's impossible
to
give a precise figure, or to say how many have escaped or been freed. The
raiders have also massacred thousands of people and driven hundreds of
thousands from their homes. Many such "displaced" people, including
250,000
Nuba, are forced into in government "peace camps" - where they become
internees, but not slaves.
Who are the slaves?
The slaves are mostly Dinka people from the northern part of Bahr
al-Ghazal
region, plus small numbers from other war-stricken areas.
Who captures them?
The main takers of slaves are government-armed militias from the Rezeigat
and
Meseriya people. Both groups belong to the Baggara, cattle-herding Arabic-
speaking people who live in the neighbouring regions of Kordofan and
Darfur.
Other members of the "Popular Defence Force" (PDF) militias, as well as
some
regular army officers, are also involved.
How long has the taking of slaves in Sudan been going on?
Many centuries. Raiding for slaves was common under Turkish-Egyptian and
Mahdist rule in the 19th century, when Northern Sudan held tens of
thousands
of slaves, and ex****ted tens of thousands more to Egypt and the Arab
states.
Much of Southern Sudan was plundered by commercial slave traders, who
devastated its peoples. Southern Sudanese resisted fiercely, and today's
inhabitants are the descendants of those people who remained free. Slavery
was abolished by the British imperial rulers in 1898, but it took some
decades for the practice to die out. Although Sudan suffered a North-South
civil war from 1955-72, slave-taking was not a central issue then. Slavery
has only re-emerged in the last decade.
In 1986 the Defence Minister in the civilian government led by Prime
Minister
Sadiq al-Mahdi proceeded to arm Baggara militias as a "security belt"
against
the mainly Southern rebels, the Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA), in
renewed civil war. The resurgence of slavery was described in a 1987
re****t
by two Northern Sudanese university lecturers, who linked it to the
militias.
Many of today's slaves were taken during the 1986-89 period, before the
current regime seized power.
What is the Sudan Government's policy?
The government has repeatedly denied that slavery exists, but under
international pressure it set up committees to investigate the question in
early 1996. It blames the phenomenon on "tribal conflicts" in which both
sides take hostages, and insists these captives are not slaves. Slavery is
against the law in Sudan, and only "the white man, decades ago", took
slaves,
it says. In practice, the government uses the militias to destroy villages
and terrorize entire communities. It turns a blind eye to raiding for
captives as "war booty" to be kept in servitude or sold. Some captives
become
hostages, some become slaves. When families of captives try to get their
children back through the courts,the government has not often been
helpful.
And close to the war zones, few people are brave enough to challenge
militia
fighters in court.
How can the slaves in Sudan be freed?
Some escape, some are released by the courts or by inter-tribal
negotiation.
Some are handed back to their relatives on payment of "keeper's expenses".
Rezeigat and Dinka representatives have negotiated for the release of
hundreds of Dinka children in return for access to fresh pastures and
water
controlled by the Southerners - underlining how ecology affects the
conflict.
Re****ts of foreigners helping to "buy back" captives have publicized the
situation. But paying ransoms is not a solution. Capturing people for
ransom
or slavery can only be ended by dismantling the militias, restoring
judicial
processes and bringing the perpetrators to justice. It's essential to
revive
local reconciliation systems, and ensure access for human rights monitors.
Is slavery the main problem in Sudan's war?
Slavery alerts us to the extremes of human rights abuse in Sudan, and to
the
racist history in the conflict. But it is vital not to overlook the many
related atrocities committed against civilians in Southern Sudan, the Nuba
Mountains of Kordofan, and elsewhere - including massacres, rape, aerial
bombing and the wholesale destruction of villages.
Since 1983, an estimated 1.5 million Sudanese people have died and at
least
five million fled their homes as a result of war. It is government policy
to
force hundreds of thousands of war-displaced people into "peace villages".
These are internment camps: people are denied their liberty and forced to
work for little or no pay in appalling conditions. Families are split up,
women are abused, men have to train and fight in the PDF militia. Children
are taught a crude exclusionist Islam and made to Arabize theirnames and
their language. Both sides in the war are using child soldiers and forced
labour. RivalSouthern Sudanese factions have kidnapped children and
abducted
women.
What is the background to the war?
British colonial rulers pursued separate development policies for North
and
South Sudan, setting the stage for conflict when they left. The war is
also
rooted in decades of social, political and economic discrimination by the
dominant North against Southerners and people from other peripheral parts
of
the country.
In 1983, Southern army units mutinied and formed the Sudan People's
Liberation Army (SPLA), which claims to fight for the equality of all
Sudanese. The SPLA split in 1991 and many Southern civilians have died in
faction fighting. Since a military coup in 1989, the government of Lt-
General Hassan al-Ba****r has intensified the war, estimated to cost a
crippling one million dollars a day. Oppression extends well beyond the
war
zones: dissent is banned, and torture is rife. Most Northern political
parties - and some former army officers - have formed an exiled opposition
front called the National Democratic Alliance (NDA).
Is this a religious war?
The ruling National Islamic Front (NIF) won less than 10% of the votes of
Muslim Sudanese in the last free elections. It uses religious rhetoric in
its
war propaganda, to try to rally international Islamic sup****t. Some
Christian
groups have fallen into the same trap, forgetting that the government is
oppressing Muslims as well as non-Muslims. The civil war is fundamentally
about political power and social disadvantage, about racism and
intolerancerather than religious faith.
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