Yaako Warrior from AUZ, Germany, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada,
Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained
moslems. wrote:
> Yaako Warrior from AUZ, Germany, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada,
> Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained
> moslems. wrote:
>> Yaako Warrior from AUZ, Germany, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada,
>> Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of fecal stained
>> moslems. wrote:
>>> Yaako Warrior from AUZ, China, RSA, USA, Sweden, Hong Kong, Canada,
>>> Russia, China, Denmark, UK, .........., the slayer of ****skin
>>> moslems. wrote:
>>>> Islam is ****! wrote:
>>>>> Noah and his son
>>>>>
>>>>> (Remember) Noah, when he cried (to Us) aforetime:
>>>>> We listened to his (prayer) and delivered
>>>>> him and his family from great distress.
>>>>> -- Sura 21:76
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like
mountains,
>>>>> and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from
>>>>> the rest):
>>>>> "O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!"
>>>>>
>>>>> The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will
>>>>> save me
>>>>> from the water."
>>>>> Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah,
>>>>> any but those on whom He hath mercy!" And the waves came between
>>>>> them,
>>>>> and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.
>>>>> -- Sura 11:42-43
>>>>>
>>>>> One of Noah's sons dies in the Flood in contradiction to 21:76
>>>>> which states
>>>>> that Allah saved him and his family. Now, this contradiction is
>>>>> "solved" in
>>>>> the Qur'an itself. When we read on in Sura 11 up to verse 46 we
>>>>> find Allah
>>>>> replying to Noah in regard to exactly this complaint that he has
>>>>> not saved
>>>>> his son: "O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is
>>>>> unrighteous.
>>>>> So ask not of Me that of which though Hast no knowledge!"
>>>>>
>>>>> So, we see that this problem is solved by "divine exclusion" and
>>>>> the Qur'an
>>>>> even admits that this can be something rather difficult to
>>>>> comprehend for
>>>>> normal human beings, even for the prophet of God, Noah.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is certainly possible to disinherit sons or otherwise to deny
>>>>> them the
>>>>> legal status of a son, but it is impossible even for God that a
>>>>> biological
>>>>> son looses the property of being the seed of his father. As such,
the
>>>>> formulation in Sura 37:77 "And made his seed the survivors" (of the
>>>>> Flood),
>>>>> is still difficult to reconcile with Allah's answer in Sura 11:46.
>>>>>
>>>>> A further question might be raised from Sura 11:27 in regard to the
>>>>> identity
>>>>> of those saved and those drowned in the flood.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But the chiefs of the Unbelievers among his people said [in
>>>>> response to
>>>>> Noah]:
>>>>> "We see (in) thee nothing but a man like ourselves:
>>>>> Nor do we see that any follow thee but the meanest among us,
>>>>> in judgment immature: Nor do we see in you (all) any merit above
us:
>>>>> in fact we think ye are liars!"
>>>>> It is clear that Noah found some who believed his message and
>>>>> followed him.
>>>>> That the unbelievers call the believers "mean" and "immature" is to
be
>>>>> expected and angry rethorics. But it cannot be denied that he had
some
>>>>> followers, apart from his immediate family (which would not create
>>>>> this
>>>>> reaction, given that it is expected that the family follows the
>>>>> head of the
>>>>> family). This is again hinted at in Sura 7:64 stating:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> But they rejected him, and We delivered him, and those with him,
>>>>> in the
>>>>> Ark:
>>>>> but We overwhelmed in the flood those who rejected Our signs.
>>>>> They were indeed a blind people!
>>>>> Those "in the Ark" are contrasted with (i.e. are the opposite of)
>>>>> those "who
>>>>> rejected", i.e. they are those who believed. It is not as clear as
>>>>> 11:27,
>>>>> but it is pointing in the same direction.
>>>>>
>>>>> Two issues arise here:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. This contradicts the Torah where it is clear that only his
>>>>> family and all
>>>>> of his family are saved (eight people, Noah, and his wife and the
>>>>> three sons
>>>>> and their wives).
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Given that the Qur'an speaks of further people who believe him,
>>>>> why were
>>>>> those who followed him outside his family not saved as well? Again,
>>>>> it says:
>>>>> "And made his seed the survivors" (37:77).
>>>>>
>>>>> The inclusion / exclusion dynamics are rather complex in this
>>>>> story. In Sura
>>>>> 66:10, Noah's wife is assigned to Hell, and Yusuf Ali's commentary
>>>>> implies
>>>>> she perished in the flood. In Sura 11:40, we find the command for
>>>>> embarking
>>>>> on the Ark:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> At length, behold! there came Our command,
>>>>> and the fountains of the earth gushed forth!
>>>>> We said: "Embark therein, of each kind two, male and female,
>>>>> and your family - except those against whom the word has already
>>>>> gone
>>>>> forth,-
>>>>> and the Believers." but only a few believed with him.
>>>>> Here again, we read of "a few believed with him", but why are they
>>>>> seemingly
>>>>> not saved according to Sura 37:77? And looking again at 11:42-43
>>>>> (above),
>>>>> Noah calls out to his son to embark the Ark. So, he was not one
>>>>> "against
>>>>> whom the word has already gone forth" since then Noah would not
>>>>> have called
>>>>> him in disobedience to Allah's command. Clearly he was not
>>>>> forewarned about
>>>>> the peri****ng of this son as his prayer to Allah shows:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And Noah called upon his Lord, and said:
>>>>> "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family!
>>>>> and Thy promise is true,
>>>>> and Thou art the justest of Judges!"
>>>>> -- Sura 11:45
>>>>> Allah's answer is:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family:
>>>>> For his conduct is unrighteous.
>>>>> So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge!
>>>>> I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!"
>>>>> -- Sura 11:46
>>>>> Those Allah excluded beforehand are still called "your family" in
>>>>> 11:40, but
>>>>> in regard to the son, of whose exclusion Noah had no knowledge
(until
>>>>> Allah's response in 11:46), it is said that he is not of his family.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a substantial inclusion-exclusion confusion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Furthermore, there is a completely different, scientific problem.
>>>>> This whole
>>>>> conversation in 11:42-43 is impossible in the way it is re****ted.
>>>>> If you
>>>>> ever have been at sea when the waves are towering like mountains
>>>>> then you
>>>>> know how loud it is. Conversation, even when shouting is absolutely
>>>>> impossible. Note, it does not say that the water was already as
>>>>> deep as a
>>>>> mountain is high (but with a calm surface), it specifically speaks
>>>>> of waves,
>>>>> which means that there have to be strong winds to produce these
>>>>> waves. And
>>>>> that is always very loud. Also, the Ark, a big ****p was already
>>>>> afloat, i.e.
>>>>> "out on the water", while Noah's son seems during this conversation
>>>>> to be
>>>>> standing on the dry land in a distance allowing conversation (even
>>>>> if there
>>>>> were no noise around), and not swimming in the water and struggling
>>>>> with the
>>>>> waves. This is physically impossible for any normal landscape
>>>>> imaginable.
>>>>> After all this was not in a haven build for regular docking of
****ps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Muhammad was a son of the desert, not aquainted very well with
>>>>> large amounts
>>>>> of water as at an ocean. That might explain why this story is
>>>>> narrated in
>>>>> such an unrealistic way.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> HOW TO BECOME A ****SKIN MOSLEM - this is how: **** goats, molest
>>>> children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the time, never shower or
>>>> bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities at a maddrassa,
>>>> wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you ****ed to a nearby
>>>> village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an
>>>> indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids,
>>>> ............ Practice all those and you too could become a prophet
!!
>
>
HOW TO BECOME A ****SKIN MOSLEM - this is how: **** goats, **** your
mother (nikomak), molest children, wear a beekeepers outfit all the
time, never shower or bath, beat your wives, learn terrorist activities
at a maddrassa, wipe your ass with stones, sell the donkey you ****ed to
a nearby village, marry a nine year-old , send your child off to an
indoctrination camp, practice thighing with little kids, ............
Practice all those and you too could become a prophet !!
Elif air ab tizak mohammad !!!!
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moslem cartoon character mohammad and his bumchum allaah were child
molesting goat ****ers and nikomaks
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Up your ass mohammad - Elif air ab tizak!!!
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