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Re: What does the Holy Quran say about Jesus (peace be upon him)

by "uragoner" <uragoner2@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 11, 2008 at 06:16 PM

READ THE BIBLE FOR YOURSELF -

http://www.arabicbible.com/

http://www.theophilos.sk/download.htm#free





> > http://www.thegrace.com/download.htm

or Check Google or another

search

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Our Infinite God, The One who can truly see the end and the beginning has

given the proof of His omniscience in the form of Biblical prophecies.

Here

is where the Koran fails miserably in its attempt to replace the Bible.

the plans of Satan and His attack on the church and The Christ are

revealed.

Here despite death for all of the earth's inhabitants, salvation is

revealed. Not by works, but by faith and that not blindly for God has

provided

prophecy that all may see.

Islam is a satanic counterfeit that attacks Jesus Christ directly. It

states that Christ was nothing more than a prophet, and that Mohammed is

greater

that Him and all the other Biblical prophets that pointed to Christ- the

Savior and the Son of God. ( see Psalm 22, Isaiah 53, 7:14, Micah 5:2,

Zechariah 9:9, Deuteronomy 18:18 (the one Muslims try to hijack the most,

compare with

John 6:14 Then those men, when they had seen the miracle that Jesus did,

said,

This is of a truth that prophet that should come into the world.),

Genesis 49:10&11, Psalm 2:7; there are several hundred others. Yet it

doesn't address the fact that there were other prophets after Christ, true

prophets - the apostle John and his Revelation, (also Act 15:32 And

Judas

and Silas, being themselves also prophets, exhorted the brethren with many

words, and confirmed them.)

It rejects future prophets, not those chasing falsehoods and bred in

deception and violence, but rather those who are blessed with the latter

rain having kept God's commandments through Jesus Christ - His Son. Acts

2:17 And it shall

come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit

upon

all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young

men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: It rejects

Gods

Ten Commandments, written by His finger, an unchanging and eternal God,

and

the faith of Jesus Christ. see Revelation 14:12 & Revelation 19:10. It

shall bring about the end of civilization as we know it see Daniel 11:35

to

12:5, Isaiah 24. Serving a god of war, and not the God of Righteousness.

Prove it you say?...





Psalms 14:1 ¶<<To the chief Musician, A Psalm of David.>> The fool hath

said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done

abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The LORD looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if

there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is

none that doeth good, no, not one.



Christianity and Crusaders? Biblically there is a difference and like

Islam,

it was forewarned about in the Bible.



1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ?

He

is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.



Mathew 23:9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your

Father, which is in heaven.

10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.

12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall

humble himself shall be exalted.



The Pope



Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and

shall

wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws:

and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the

dividing of time.( The Pope thinks to change the Ten Commandments, The

Sabbath - the sign of the True Creator, and Idolatry) Note despite

Christ's

warning the Priests of this faith call themselves father, and the pope -

the

most holy father.....hence blasphemy of the True Father in Heaven.



2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day

shall

not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be

revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that

is wor****pped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing

himself that he is God.(Thinking he's changed God's sabbath to Sunday,

killing and conquering in the name of Jesus (and neglecting the cross) for

filthy lucre and power. He calls himself the most holy father....total

blasphemy against Jesus' own words)



Revelation 13:1 ¶And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast

rise

up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns

ten

crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as

the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon

gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly

wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. (Wounded by

Napoleon in 1798, healed by Mussolini)

4 And they wor****pped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and

they

wor****pped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to

make war with him?

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great

things

and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two

months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his

name,

and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome

them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall wor****p him, whose names are

not

written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the

world.

9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that

killeth

with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the

faith of the saints. (written to avoid any wavering of faith due to the

Roman church's claims versus her actions)



Revelation 17:2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed

fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with

the

wine of her fornication.

3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a

woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy,

having

seven heads and ten horns.

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with

gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full

of

abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT,

THE

MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

(Babylon the source of may nations, tongue peoples, and faiths despite

Ephesians 4:5)

6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the

blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great

admiration.

7 ¶And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell

thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which

hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the

bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth

shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the

foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not,

and yet is.

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads

are

seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that

keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.



The seven heads are the mountains of Rome - the city of 7 hills . Check an

encyclopedia.

The church - a virgin. So then, a corrupt church - a whore.

This power sought to destroy the Bible, keeping it in Latin so that very

few

could read it.

This power sought to resolve various worldly religions with itself -

selling

its virtue in the process:

Prayer beads - the rosary

The merger with paganism - the wor****p of the Heavens including the sun -

Changing God's Sabbath to Sunday (Daniel 7:25) the venerable day of the

sun,

and the day Christ rose from the Dead. Made law by Roman emperor

Constantine

in 538 AD

The merging of pagan holidays within the so called church. (Mostly around

the equinoxes and other seasonal changes...Christmas, Easter etc.)

Idolatry - images of who?



ISLAM THE TRUTH - A prophet greater than Jesus Christ? Revelation 16:13



Daniel 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the

desire

of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

(Mohammed)

38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom

his

fathers(Abraham and the true Prophets) knew not shall he honour with gold,

and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things (Mosques).

39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god (Allah),

whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them

to rule

over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him:

and

the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with

chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ****ps; and he shall enter into

the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land (Israel), and many

countries

shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom,

and

Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land

of

Egypt shall not escape.

43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and

over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians

shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him:

therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to

make

away many.

45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in

the

glorious holy mountain(al aqsa in Jerusalem,oh yes and the dome of the

rock

....it did say tabernacles didn't it); yet he shall come to his end,

and none shall help him.

Daniel 12:1 ¶And at that time shall Michael stand up(Judgement on the

earth

is past. Read the Book of Hebrews in the New Testament), the great prince

which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time

of

trouble, (Started by the destruction of the oil fields,of which some

sheiks

& clerics are already planning, but will not be able to accomplish til the

Lord allows it.) such as never was since there was a nation even to that

same time: and at

that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found

written in the book





The burning of the oil fields including Iraq (Babylon).....oh yes America

will be involved in this!



Revelation 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying,

Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is

thy judgment come.

11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no

man

buyeth their merchandise any more:

12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of

pearls,

and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood,

and

all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood,

and of brass, and iron, and marble

Adios, Iraq,Saudi Arabia and much of the Middle East, oh yeah and I

guess

the world's economy.....oh



THE TEN COMMANDMENTS

Written by God's finger in stone... an unchanging God!



Exodus 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any

thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is

in the water under the earth: (crying statues of Mary?)

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD

thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the

children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my

commandments.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD

will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou

shalt

not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor

thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy

gates:

11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that

in

them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the

Sabbath

day, and hallowed it. (Saturday , actually from Friday sunset to Saturday

sunset)

12 ¶Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the

land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15 Thou shalt not steal.

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy

neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor

his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

18 ¶And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the

noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw

it,

they removed, and stood afar off.

19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but

let

not God speak with us, lest we die.



Matthew 5:17 ¶Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the

prophets:

I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. ( Christ speaking here)

John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to

destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it

more abundant



Another thread:



America:



Revelation 13:11 ¶And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth;

and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

After the nuclear destruction of the Middle East oil fields

US shall mandate its own religion and make and image to the Beast

(Catholicism & the Pope or Church state) . There shall no longer be a

separation of church

and state ( the two horns or powers ) but Sunday laws (in contradiction to

God's

Sabbath) and the true Christian mind set .

IN OTHER WORDS -- forced religious observance, hence speaking as a dragon

(no longer a lamb)

Sound familiar.........forced religion (The beast and the false prophet)



And so you have the puzzle of Rev. 16:13: Catholicism and its forced

observance, Protestantism and its upcoming force observance (Sunday Laws,

despite the Sabbath being the 7th day, and Islam and its forced observance

of religion). All shall have power to control your ability to work - to

buy

and sell as it were. And all ignore God's fourth Commandment, as do the

Atheists (needless to say, but they'll do what the various governments

tell

them)



Compare Deuteronomy 6:8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine

hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes. (Ten

Commandments)

w/ :

Revelation 13:13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come

down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those

miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to

them

that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast,

which

had the wound by a sword, and did live.

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast (church

state

albeit dominantly Protestant), that the image of the beast should both

speak, and cause that as many as would not

wor****p the image of the beast should be killed.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and

bond,

to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the

name of the beast, or the number of his name.



Some of the Jews wear these things on there foreheads (phylacteries?), but

the gist of the passages are what you do and how you think. The Ten

Commandments, or man's variation thereof....

(The Biblical Sabbath or Sunday.... man's variation )



Anyway we're getting close to a real economic bummer....Cities will

burn,(already seen this in LA & New York, etc. from little incidents like

power outages, or police aggression, but this will be world wide and much

worse), famine throughout the entire world, nuclear fallout from the oil

fields...-

desperate men will do

desperate things



Again:

Peace in the Middle East.... (or anywhere?) When our world leaders talk

of

this, WE SHOULD BE FRIGHTENED



1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then

sudden

destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they

shall not escape.



Kind of makes me wonder what Bible our world leaders are reading

anyway.......

Anything less than this is a lie



The True State of Death



Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead

know

not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them

is forgotten.

6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished;

neither have they any more a ****tion for ever in any thing that is done

under the sun.



In a nutshell



John 11:8 His disciples say unto him, Master, the Jews of late sought to

stone thee; and goest thou thither again?

9 Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk

in

the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

10 But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no

light

in him.

11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend

Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep.

12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well.

13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken

of

taking of rest in sleep.

14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

15 And I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, to the intent ye

may

believe; nevertheless let us go unto him.

16 Then said Thomas, which is called Didymus, unto his fellowdisciples,

Let

us also go, that we may die with him.

17 ¶Then when Jesus came, he found that he had lain in the grave four

days

already.

18 Now Bethany was nigh unto Jerusalem, about fifteen furlongs off:

19 And many of the Jews came to Martha and Mary, to comfort them

concerning

their brother.

20 Then Martha, as soon as she heard that Jesus was coming, went and met

him: but Mary sat still in the house.

21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother

had not died.

22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will

give it thee.

23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.



John 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the

resurrection at the last day. (Im****tant there are many who seem to be

confused here)

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that

believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest

thou

this?

27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the

Son of God, which should come into the world.

28 And when she had so said, she went her way, and called Mary her sister

secretly, saying, The Master is come, and calleth for thee.

29 As soon as she heard that, she arose quickly, and came unto him.

30 Now Jesus was not yet come into the town, but was in that place where

Martha met him.

31 The Jews then which were with her in the house, and comforted her,

when

they saw Mary, that she rose up hastily and went out, followed her,

saying,

She goeth unto the grave to weep there.

32 Then when Mary was come where Jesus was, and saw him, she fell down at

his feet, saying unto him, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had

not

died.

33 ¶When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which

came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,

34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and

see.

35 Jesus wept. ( for the great unbelief of man)

36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!

37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of

the

blind, have caused that even this man should not have died?

38 Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave. It was

a

cave, and a stone lay upon it.

39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was

dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been

dead

four days.

John 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou

wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid.

And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou

hast

heard me.

42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people

which

stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

43 And when he thus had spoken, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come

forth.

44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with

graveclothes:

and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose

him, and let him go.

45 ¶Then many of the Jews which came to Mary, and had seen the things

which

Jesus did, believed on him.

46 But some of them went their ways to the Pharisees, and told them what

things Jesus had done.

47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said,

What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.

48 If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans

shall come and take away both our place and nation. (Lucifer's

interjection,

no doubt)

49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year,

said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for

the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he

prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

52 And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together

in

one the children of God that were scattered abroad. Jews and Gentiles



1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord,

that

we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not

prevent

them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the

voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ

shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with

them

in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with

the

Lord. (Meet Him in the Air - ANYTHING ELSE IS A LIE ! )

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



BUT just before.... Satan appears for one last lie:

Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an

angel of light.



2 Thessalonians 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in

them

that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they

might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they

should

believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had

pleasure in unrighteousness.



Why so many denominations and religions ?



Ephesians 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,



2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man:

but

holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.



2 Peter 2:1 ¶But there were false prophets also among the people, even as

there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in

damnable

heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon

themselves

swift destruction.
 




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What does the Holy Quran say about Jesus (peace be upon him)
Ramabriga <Ramabriga@[  2008-05-11 16:41:40 
Re: What does the Holy Quran say about Jesus (peace be upon him)
"uragoner" <  2008-05-11 18:16:53 
Re: What does the Holy Quran say about Jesus (peace be upon him)
"geno4321" <  2008-05-11 20:59:48 
Re: What does the Holy Quran say about Jesus (peace be upon him)
"geno4321" <  2008-05-11 20:58:34 
Re: What does the Holy Quran say about Jesus (peace be upon him)
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