Re: WHY SOCIALISM?

On Jul 1, 1:05=A0am, " krp" <krp24...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > The following is a list of countries whose constitutions make
> > references to socialism, but do not subscribe to Marxist-Leninist
> > ideology:
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> > Current
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> > * Bangladesh People's Republic of Bangladesh (G=F4noprojatontri
> > Bangladesh) (retains constitutional references to socialism)
> > Now THERE is a success story.
> > * Egypt Arab Republic of Egypt (Gumhuriyyet Ma?r el-?Arabiyyah)
> > (retains constitutional references to socialism)
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> > But isn't socialist at all.
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> > * Guyana Cooperative Republic of Guyana (retains constitutional
> > references to socialism)
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> > Not socialist either.
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> > * India Republic of India (retains constitutional references to
> > socialism)
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> > About as FAR from Socialism as you can get. BOLLYWOOD!
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> > * Libya Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
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> > Another GREAT success story and bastion of democracy.
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> > * ****tugal ****tuguese Republic (Rep=FAblica ****tuguesa) (retains
> > constitutional references to socialism)
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> > But isn't socialist.
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> > * Sri Lanka Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka (retains
> > constitutional references to socialism)
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> > <yawn>
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> > * Syria Syrian Arab Republic (de facto single-party state ruled by
> > the Ba'ath Party, retains constitutional references to socialism)
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> > NATIONAL SOCIALISM - - - - FASCIST!
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> > * Tanzania United Republic of Tanzania (retains constitutional
> > references to socialism)
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> > And look how good THEY are doing.
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> > * Venezuela Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (Rep=FAblica
> > Bolivariana de Venezuela) (informal)
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> > Democracy? Venezuela is HEADED to socialism. AND a dictator****p.
> > Remember, despite the recent "****" election that Hoooogo lost, he has
> > appointed himself PRESIDENT FOR LIFE! Sure sounds like a dictator to
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> > The request was to show me ONE "true socialist state" that was
> > successful and NOT a dictator****p. You missed the target by a mile
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> Examples of social democracy (a.k.a. Democratic Socialism)
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> The prime example of social democracy is Sweden, which prospered
> considerably under the leader****p of Olof Palme.
> =A0Sweden has produced a strong economy from sole proprietor****ps up
> through to multinationals (e.g., Saab, Volvo, Ikea, and Ericsson),
> while maintaining one of the longest life expectancies in the world,
> low unemployment, inflation, infant mortality, national debt, and cost
> of living, all while registering sizable economic growth.
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> =A0 =A0 Sweden is no more a PURE socialist State than I am King of
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> NOT a socialist state. LAME really LAME attempt to smokescreen the
issue.
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So, let me see,
Olof Palme defined himself and his government as Socialists, but
according to you he was either wrong or a liar.
Is that what you're saying?

> Others also point to Norway as an example of a social democratic
> nation, where the Norwegian Labour Party played a critical role in
> Norway's recent political history by making social democratic reforms
> after WWII. In Norway, progressive taxation was introduced and the
> public sector greatly increased in size. Recently, Norway's economy
> has experienced an acceleration in economic growth, aided, in part, by
> the exploitation of oil deposits.
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> Yes LAME apologists DO also list Norway. Like Sweden it is NOT really a
> socialist state but a MIXED economy. In this case Norway is taxing
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> death. So much for COMPLETELY FREE lunches promised by socialsm.
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Taxing itself to death???
One of the countries with higher standards of living???
That statement doesn't make any sense.

> Another prominent example is the Canadian province of Saskatchewan,
> which has been politically dominated by the Cooperative Commonwealth
> Federation and its successor the New Democratic Party since 1944.
> While in office the CCF and NDP have nationalized major industries,
> initiated wide ranging public works, and introduced generous social
> services such as universal health care (later implemented nationally
> in Canada), as well as the establishment of public automobile
> insurance. Today, however, while retaining its social democratic
> philosophy, the Saskatchewan NDP is no longer as far to the left as it
> once was, in comparison with the federal NDP.
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> Now this takes rank stupidity to a new level suggesting CANADA is a pure
> socialist state. This doesn't pass the uroarious laughter test.
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Now I start to suspect that you are kind of dumb or suffer from brain
damage ...
Read again: Canadian province of Saskatchewan
Do you know what a province is?
Out of curiosity, where are you from?

> To a lesser extent, the Canadian Province of Manitoba is viewed as
> social democratic, with nationalized businesses such as Manitoba
> Hydro. However the Manitoba NDP is also more moderate in comparison to
> the Federal NDP. Generally speaking, the provincial wings of the NDP
> that are major contenders for government (British Columbia,
> Saskatchewan, Manitoba & Nova Scotia) tend to be more in the modern
> Third Way mould of social democracy, as opposed to the federal party
> and smaller provincial wings that still follow the older style of
> democratic socialism (reminiscent of the Cooperative Commonwealth
> Federation).
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> =A0 =A0 You have YET to come anywhere near showing us an example of a
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> SOCIALIST STATE that is anything but a POLICE STATE.
Yeah right, just because you say so ...
Because you know better than the representatives of all those
Socialist Governments listed above, right?
You're acting now just like as if you were a spokesman for one of
those police states ...