Re: WHY SOCIALISM?

On Jul 7, 5:49 am, " krp" <krp24...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "1001webs" <1001w...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > The following is a list of countries whose constitutions make
> > > references to socialism, but do not subscribe to Marxist-Leninist
> > > ideology:
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> > > Current
>
> > > * Bangladesh People's Republic of Bangladesh (G=F4noprojatontri
> > > Bangladesh) (retains constitutional references to socialism)
> > > Now THERE is a success story.
> > > * Egypt Arab Republic of Egypt (Gumhuriyyet Ma?r el-?Arabiyyah)
> > > (retains constitutional references to socialism)
>
> > > But isn't socialist at all.
>
> > > * Guyana Cooperative Republic of Guyana (retains constitutional
> > > references to socialism)
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> > > Not socialist either.
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> > > * India Republic of India (retains constitutional references to
> > > socialism)
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> > > About as FAR from Socialism as you can get. BOLLYWOOD!
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> > > * Libya Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya
>
> > > Another GREAT success story and bastion of democracy.
>
> > > * ****tugal ****tuguese Republic (Rep=FAblica ****tuguesa) (retains
> > > constitutional references to socialism)
>
> > > But isn't socialist.
>
> > > * Sri Lanka Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka (retains
> > > constitutional references to socialism)
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> > > <yawn>
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> > > * Syria Syrian Arab Republic (de facto single-party state ruled by
> > > the Ba'ath Party, retains constitutional references to socialism)
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> > > NATIONAL SOCIALISM - - - - FASCIST!
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> > > * Tanzania United Republic of Tanzania (retains constitutional
> > > references to socialism)
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> > > And look how good THEY are doing.
>
> > > * Venezuela Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela (Rep=FAblica
> > > Bolivariana de Venezuela) (informal)
>
> > > Democracy? Venezuela is HEADED to socialism. AND a dictator****p.
> > > Remember, despite the recent "****" election that Hoooogo lost, he
ha=
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> > > appointed himself PRESIDENT FOR LIFE! Sure sounds like a dictator to
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me.
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> > > The request was to show me ONE "true socialist state" that was
> > > successful and NOT a dictator****p. You missed the target by a mile
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> > Examples of social democracy (a.k.a. Democratic Socialism)
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> > The prime example of social democracy is Sweden, which prospered
> > considerably under the leader****p of Olof Palme.
> > Sweden has produced a strong economy from sole proprietor****ps up
> > through to multinationals (e.g., Saab, Volvo, Ikea, and Ericsson),
> > while maintaining one of the longest life expectancies in the world,
> > low unemployment, inflation, infant mortality, national debt, and cost
> > of living, all while registering sizable economic growth.
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> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> > Sweden is no more a PURE socialist State than I am King of Persia. It
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> > NOT a socialist state. LAME really LAME attempt to smokescreen the
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> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> So, let me see,
> Olof Palme defined himself and his government as Socialists, but
> according to you he was either wrong or a liar.
> Is that what you're saying?
>
> > Others also point to Norway as an example of a social democratic
> > nation, where the Norwegian Labour Party played a critical role in
> > Norway's recent political history by making social democratic reforms
> > after WWII. In Norway, progressive taxation was introduced and the
> > public sector greatly increased in size. Recently, Norway's economy
> > has experienced an acceleration in economic growth, aided, in part, by
> > the exploitation of oil deposits.
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> > Yes LAME apologists DO also list Norway. Like Sweden it is NOT really
a
> > socialist state but a MIXED economy. In this case Norway is taxing
itse=
lf
> > to
> > death. So much for COMPLETELY FREE lunches promised by socialsm.
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> Taxing itself to death???
> One of the countries with higher standards of living???
> That statement doesn't make any sense.
>
> > Another prominent example is the Canadian province of Saskatchewan,
> > which has been politically dominated by the Cooperative Commonwealth
> > Federation and its successor the New Democratic Party since 1944.
> > While in office the CCF and NDP have nationalized major industries,
> > initiated wide ranging public works, and introduced generous social
> > services such as universal health care (later implemented nationally
> > in Canada), as well as the establishment of public automobile
> > insurance. Today, however, while retaining its social democratic
> > philosophy, the Saskatchewan NDP is no longer as far to the left as it
> > once was, in comparison with the federal NDP.
> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> > Now this takes rank stupidity to a new level suggesting CANADA is a
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> > socialist state. This doesn't pass the uroarious laughter test.
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> > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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> Now I start to suspect that you are kind of dumb or suffer from brain
> damage ...
> Read again: Canadian province of Saskatchewan
> Do you know what a province is?
> Out of curiosity, where are you from?
>
> > To a lesser extent, the Canadian Province of Manitoba is viewed as
> > social democratic, with nationalized businesses such as Manitoba
> > Hydro. However the Manitoba NDP is also more moderate in comparison to
> > the Federal NDP. Generally speaking, the provincial wings of the NDP
> > that are major contenders for government (British Columbia,
> > Saskatchewan, Manitoba & Nova Scotia) tend to be more in the modern
> > Third Way mould of social democracy, as opposed to the federal party
> > and smaller provincial wings that still follow the older style of
> > democratic socialism (reminiscent of the Cooperative Commonwealth
> > Federation).
>
> > You have YET to come anywhere near showing us an example of a PURE
> > SOCIALIST STATE that is anything but a POLICE STATE.
>
> < Yeah right, just because you say so ...
>
>     No not because *I* say so. Feel FREE to show us an example of  -
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t a
> PURE socialist state.  Then show us that ANY of them are NOT police
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s.
>
> < Because you know better than the representatives of all those
Socialist
> Governments listed above, right?
>
>     But for the most part they are NOT purely "socialist states" in the
> light most favorable to your ranting, some of them might be considered
> "mixed economies" because by and large the economies ride on CAPITALISM.
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Do
> you REALLY REALLY REALLY want to hold up soome of the Scandanavian
counti=
es
> as BASTIONS of socialist success?  Want to start with Sweden's Volvo as
a
> good case study? How a great capitalist enterprise was driven to the
door=
 of
> extinction by confiscatory socialism, had to be rescued by American
> Capitalist Ford which also cannot make it float and is looking
desperatel=
y
> to DUMP it anyway they can, including closing the doors and cutting
their
> loses. YES - show me the STUNNING SUCCESSES.... So far all you have done
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is
> show me a long laundy list of some states that have some socialist
featur=
e
> or are DISASTER AREAS.
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>     Tell me again on the GREAT and flori****ng People's Republic of Cuba
If you compare Cuba with its neighboris it is a STUNNING SUCCESS, and
no one can argue that.
Best Education and Health in all of the Americas only second to
Canada.
STUNNING SUCCESS really.

But Cuba is not a PURE Socialist state.
It couldn't be with the blessings of the Pope, for example, but it is
less of a Police State than the USA, that's for sure.
In Cuba for example, they don't blow up their own buildings and kill
their own citizens in order to justify the invasion of another
country.
Or has a Department of Homeland Security that is Seeking to Force
Airline Passengers to Wear Taser Braclets!

A senior government official with the U.S. Department of Homeland
Security (DHS) has expressed great interest in a so-called safety
bracelet that would serve as a stun device, similar to that of a
police Taser=AE. According to this promotional video found at the
Lamperd Less Lethal website, the bracelet would be worn by all airline
passengers.

This bracelet would:

=95 take the place of an airline boarding pass

=95 contain personal information about the traveler

=95 be able to monitor the whereabouts of each passenger and his/her
luggage

=95 shock the wearer on command, completely immobilizing him/her for
several minutes

http://www.loosechange911.com/blog/