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> > > > On Feb 12, 11:02 pm, burmansold...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > On Feb 13, 1:52 am, bmo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > On Feb 12, 2:08 am, mogyothwar <ziza...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > On Feb 12, 9:40 am, Brian.Ana...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > > On Feb 12, 3:39 pm, "Zomi" <z...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > > > You can't have a roadmap to democracy that excludes the
[o=
pposition's NLD].
> > > > > > > > > The first step was the national convention, which took
14 =
years, but they're
> > > > > > > > > finished. The next is the constitutional drafting
committe=
e, which they have
> > > > > > > > > established. The people of Myanmar [Burma], the
neighborin=
g countries and
> > > > > > > > > the world can't wait another 14 years for the next step.
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> > > > > > > > > -- Prof. =A0Dr. =A0Ibrahim Agboola Gambari of Nigeria,
Und=
er-Secretary-General
> > > > > > > > > for Political Affairs, United Nations
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> > > > > > > > Hi Zomi,
>
> > > > > > > > You might receive more of a response to this posting in a
> > > > > > > > 'society.culture.myanmar' forum board (if that board
exists =
on the
> > > > > > > > web).
>
> > > > > > > > Kind Regards and am looking forward to hearing your future
t=
houghts
> > > > > > > > (on Thai matters),
> > > > > > > > Brian Anasta
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> > > > > > > On Feb 12, 5:39 am, "Zomi" <z...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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> > > > > > > > Quotes of the day
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> > > > > > > > You can't have a roadmap to democracy that excludes the
[opp=
osition's NLD].
> > > > > > > > The first step was the national convention, which took 14
ye=
ars, but they're
> > > > > > > > finished. The next is the constitutional drafting
committee,=
which they have
> > > > > > > > established. The people of Myanmar [Burma], the
neighboring =
countries and
> > > > > > > > the world can't wait another 14 years for the next step.
>
> > > > > > > > -- Prof. =A0Dr. =A0Ibrahim Agboola Gambari of Nigeria,
Under=
-Secretary-General
> > > > > > > > for Political Affairs, United Nations
>
> > > > > > >
>http://www.mizzima.com/MizzimaNews/News/2008/Feb/22-Feb-2008.=
html
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> > > > > > > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
> > > > > > > Zomi,
>
> > > > > > > With due respect to Mr Gambari, if that is what Gambari has
sa=
id, then
> > > > > > > he should resign from his post immediately. That was what he
s=
aid,
> > > > > > > before this SPDC's announcements. I have not heard him
saying =
anything
> > > > > > > after this announcement of SPDC. regarding referendum and
elec=
tions,
> > > > > > > yet..
>
> > > > > > > It's always been a pleasures to educate the ignorant like
you.=
>
> > > > > > > Mr. Gambari can not tell Myanmar or anyone what they can do
or=
what
> > > > > > > they cannot do. But
> > > > > > > in his part I can understand, he is just an envoy. An envoy
ca=
nnot
> > > > > > > speak for himself. He does not even represent himself. He is
n=
othing
> > > > > > > more then a robot. If he had said it it can't be his own
words=
..
>
> > > > > > > Myanmar saying is " Htan Thee Kyway Guite - Kyee Nin Guite "
T=
he fruit
> > > > > > > did not fall because of the raven, the fruit was ready to
fall=
with or
> > > > > > > with out the raven. .
>
> > > > > > > Referendum and elections are long over due if they were
under =
normal
> > > > > > > cir***stances and situations . Myanmar cir***stances and
situa=
tions
> > > > > > > were not normal , were they? It was delay . by the
opposition
> > > > > > > obstructed by the opposition That was the good reason.
>
> > > > > > So the delays are completely the fault of the opposition, and
no=
t the
> > > > > > junta?
>
> > > > > > > Not because of
> > > > > > > Gambari or any other pressures. If it was the pressures, it
co=
uld and
> > > > > > > would have been done 14 years ago.
>
> > > > > > > If he had said it and if I say that Mr. Gambari does not
know =
what he
> > > > > > > was saying about when he said you can't have a roadmap to
demo=
cracy
> > > > > > > that excludes the [opposition's NLD], you would not like it
th=
at is
> > > > > > > true. He just close this eyes he does not want to see the
trut=
h. =A0If
> > > > > > > he sees the truth he can do nothing. =A0The fact is he can't
g=
o against
> > > > > > > Ma Su Kyi and NLD, you see. He can say anything he likes but
n=
ot
> > > > > > > against Ma Su Kyi. His freedom is limited, very limited..
>
> > > > > > > Let the record be straight.Ganbari or not. =A0Nobody,
repeat, =
nobody
> > > > > > > excluded opposition NLD =A0from anything. NLD made its own
cho=
ice not to
> > > > > > > be included in anything. =A0As a matter of fact NLD was the
on=
e which
> > > > > > > wanted nobody to include, they wanted to do it on their
own.an=
d they
> > > > > > > were obstructing anyway they can to disrupt the National
Conve=
ntion.
>
> > > > > > > The first step was the national convention, which took 14
year=
s, but
> > > > > > > they're finished.
>
> > > > > > > National Convention took that long for many reasons. Among
the=
m was
> > > > > > > NLD again. There were more representatives from all walks of
l=
ife,
> > > > > > > more discussions, more debates until they came to an
agreement=
.
>
> > > > > > > In Myanmar saying, " Laphat Koung Sar Jin Yin-Paloung Taung
Te=
t Hney
> > > > > > > Ya Me ". Picking the best tea leave .
>
> > > > > > > In English as well they say, " slowly made cheddar cheese."
on=
e of the
> > > > > > > best cheese in the world which is Cheddar Cheese " are
slowly =
made.
>
> > > > > > > You cannot rush anything, if you want the best..
>
> > > > > > > The representatives were picking out the best and suitable
par=
ts for
> > > > > > > Myanmar from many countries constitutions for the New
Constitu=
tion for
> > > > > > > Myanmar. Nobody was putting pressures on the
representatives, =
nobody
> > > > > > > was influencing the representatives =A0That I know of. As
far =
as the
> > > > > > > military is concern, they have said they need 25 % of the
seat=
s in the
> > > > > > > Hlluttaws. Myanmar is not the only one there are countries
whi=
ch
> > > > > > > reserves these kind of seats.
>
> > > > > > > In the United States of America, no government cabinet
ministe=
r ( they
> > > > > > > call them secretary) are elected directly by the people but
se=
lected
> > > > > > > or hand picked by the President .then approves by the
senate.
>
> > > > > > > In Myanmar once upon a time Sawbwas of Shan States.,
=A0tribal=
chiefs of
> > > > > > > Chin and Kachin an others were ruled by their feudal lords
and=
their
> > > > > > > descendents. When =A0democracy was introduced all over Burma
t=
hey did
> > > > > > > not like it , some of them up to this day.
>
> > > > > > > "The next is the constitutional drafting committee, which
they=
have
> > > > > > > established. The people of Myanmar [Burma], the neighbouring
c=
ountries
> > > > > > > and the world can't wait another 14 years for the next step.
"=
>
> > > > > > > It wasn't long was it? The forming of the draft committee
and =
the
> > > > > > > actual drafting or =A0 compiling of the agreed basis
principal=
s as the
> > > > > > > New Constitution.
>
> > > > > > > Now referendum is in May , and elections in 2010. ( which
part=
we
> > > > > > > don't know. The most properly are in January around
independen=
ce day
> > > > > > > or in in May after the Myanmar New Year .
>
> > > > > > > Whatever it is, it is better then nothing. Tomorrow is
better =
than the
> > > > > > > day after. =A0There are many countries in the world, where
the=
re is no
> > > > > > > constitution at all, where there is no elections at all
>
> > > > > > > Does, Prof. =A0Dr. =A0Ibrahim Agboola Gambari of Nigeria,
Unde=
r-Secretary-
> > > > > > > General
> > > > > > > =A0for Political Affairs, United Nations know what is
happenin=
g in his
> > > > > > > own country?
> > > > > > > Why can't he make himself something useful for his own
mother =
country
> > > > > > > Nigeria?
>
> > > > > > > He may be greatly missed by his own Nigerian people and his
ow=
n
> > > > > > > country.
>
> > > > > > > I am sorry for him. What will he be doing now Myanmar's
affair=
s are
> > > > > > > almost finish?
> > > > > > > Create another one for him to get busy again?
>
> > > > > > > Those who opposes SPDC are already starting to make busy
>
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> > > > > 14years or 40 years, it's rather a Peanut for a country history,
d=
on't
> > > > > you know?
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> > > > Garbage. 26 years is a long time to be **** on for a human being.
>
> > > > > opposition fault?? Tell me something good or true done by
oppositi=
on
> > > > > so far - nothing , right? then who's right?
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> > > > The people elected them but the people with the guns didn't like
tha=
t.
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> > > > > learn my little boy !!!
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> > > > Your insults make me doubt your credibility. I suspect you are one
o=
f
> > > > the people who cooperate with the junta so you can gain
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> > > >>The people elected them but the people with the guns didn't like
tha=
t.
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> > > You're wrong. People with the guns like it very very much, I mean
knu,=
> > > kia, ssa, etc.
> > > These people with guns knew very well to get breakaway trophy easily
> > > under such scenario ! that they never make even a dream in their
> > > entire life! Even though their guns never produce a good result
during=
> > > greens era, it will be pleasure time again to believe their guns
> > > proudly under such democrazy people. nuts - are you? So who makes
> > > pieces? Idiots? nuts - are you?
>
> > So you think the Junta is good because they prevent Myanmar from
> > breaking up? Is that it?
>
> > How many deaths will you tolerate to avoid the country breaking up?
> > 100? 100000? You don't care as long as it's not your friends? You
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> mfcuker - you came back with same formula - hardly making urself bat
> taw ther?
> Did you still think: ba****ng greens makes you a HERO, here. What a
> fcuk!
> then who else you think protecting not to break up? You idiot!
> armies within an army? no statesman will accept it whether coup or
> elected
> we can see even before 1962? =A0Fcukie wanker - you useless - it's
> national interest
> this evil greens have one thing so superb - proven result of one
> country today
> You all wankers think : greens need to bring a little knife to a gun
> fight to get this result!
> Then you idiots think killing innocents by greens alone. run away
> students, children, women, elderly people killed by knu,ssa,kia being
> accused of spies, by kangaroo courts etc etc : you fcuker see only one
> side - one sided fcukie eye:
> yeah, you're not the first one. I heard several times laymen comparing
> with Pol Pot, Hitler, sadam. Now, one trishaw driver spoken the same
> thing like you beside me.
>
> You wanker, try to understand Myanmar is different
> You wanker, try to understand national interest
> You wanker, try to understand statemen****p
> THIS IS MUCH MORE THAN YOUR HATRED TOWARDS GREENS, MORE THAN EXPOSING
> YOUR FEMALE-LIKE CHARACTERISTICS OF WEAK-MINDEDNESS TO SURRENDER
> BREAKAWAYERS. PERIOD!
>
> (little boy, change your formula rather than same old sound. I get
> bored & won't be spending my precious time again unless I see
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You sure do babble a lot.
But yeah, I get your POV: preserve the country at all costs. If some
people have to die, so be it. All in the name of artificial
boundaries.
Then you find out that they are coming for you and you fall on your
knees and offer fellatio to every soldier within range. What a man of
character you are. You stand up for what you believe in, as long as
it's *other* people getting hurt.
The truth is the truth no matter how much small-minded people like you
with an obvious agenda spew bile. You don't care about killing. If
they came for you you'd be crying like a baby. Big man on Usenet =3D
crying little girl if he gets a hangnail.
You are disposed of.
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