Re: Jesus WAS the Last Supper

On Thu, 10 Apr 2008 03:54:17 -0700 (PDT), Roger Pearse
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>On 10 Apr, 07:44, Someone else <republican_remove_sp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>wrote:
>> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 01:02:53 -0700 (PDT),Roger Pearse
>>
>> <roger.pea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >On 8 Apr, 07:38, Someone else <republican_remove_sp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 07 Apr 2008 19:09:58 GMT, "Peter Terry" <momba...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> wrote:
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>> >> >"Féachadóir" <Féach@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >news:7uokv3l0fkh2j8ctquvev259p71rsbdn46@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> ScríobhRoger Pearse<roger.pea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >>>On 6 Apr, 20:14, FÃ(c)achadóir <Féach@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >>>> ScríobhRoger Pearse<roger.pea...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >>>> >> Horus another prototype however was much earlier than the
Mithra's
>> >> >>>> >> cult
>>
>> >> >>>> >There is no point of contact between the mythos of Horus and
that of
>> >> >>>> >Jesus, tho.
>>
>> >> >>>> Well if wiki is to be believed, Both are sky gods conceived
through
>> >> >>>> magical ***, and the incarnation of their creator fathers.
>>
>> >> >>>Jesus is a sky god?
>>
>> >> >> Yes, and so was his Daddy.
>>
>> >> >>>Horus was an incarnation of Osiris?
>>
>> >> >>>Surely we can say without further ado that wiki cannot be
believed, if
>> >> >>>it contains crap like this.
>>
>> >> >> I leave it to others to debate wiki's take on Egyptology, but
Yahweh
>> >> >> is definitely a sky god.
>>
>> >> >Like Mithras
>>
>> >> and Mithras was the God of which Empire, prior to their mass
>> >> conversion to Christianity?
>>
>> >None.
>>
>> The Roman Empire...
>
>Um, Mithras was a private mystery religion, not a state cult.  "God of
>the empire..."?
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Mithras%2C_London
>
>Relevance?  Is it possible that you suppose that I am posting about
>Mithras without knowing anything about him?
>
>> VLPIVS SILVANVS FACTVS ARAVSIONE EMERITVS LEG II AVG VOTVM SOLVIT
>
>Yes?  Relevance?
>
>> An inscription dateable 307-310 CE at the site
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>Relevance?
>
>> PRO SALVTE D N CCCC ET NOB CAES DEO MITHRAE ET SOLI INVICTO AB ORIENTE
>> AD OCCIDENTEM
>> may be translated "For the Salvation of our lords the four emperors
>> and the noble Caesar, and to the god Mithras, the Invincible Sun from
>> the east to the west" (Collingwood and Wright 1965, 4).
>
>Actually it says "For the safety of our lords the 4 emperors and the
>noble caesar, to the god Mithras, and to Sol Invictus, from the east
>to the west".
>
>Sol Invictus, of course, being a state cult at that period.
>
>But again, this seems irrelevant.
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism
>
>Don't you know how wikipedia is written?

Of course I do.

>  If so, why are you quoting it?

Is it wrong in the instances where I reference it or not?

>> The Mithraic Mysteries or Mysteries of Mithras (also Mithraism) was a
>> mystery religion practised in the Roman Empire (1st to 4th centuries
>> CE), best attested in Rome and Ostia, Mauretania, Britain and in the
>> provinces along the Rhine and Danube frontier.
>
>True.  Relevance?

We were discussing how Christianity was taken on as the state religion
by the Roman Empire. If you see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_invictus

you will note the text:

"Sol Invictus ("the Unconquered Sun") or, more fully, Deus Sol
Invictus ("the Unconquered Sun God") was the late Roman state sun god.
The cult was created by the emperor Aurelian in 274 and continued
until the abolition of paganism under Theodosius I."

and

"Sol Invictus was a religious title applied to at least three distinct
divinities during the later Roman Empire: Elagabalus, Mithras, and 

^^^^^^^
Sol."

>>
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Catholic_Encyclopedia_%281913%29/Mithraism
>>
>> A pagan religion consisting mainly of the cult of the ancient
>> Indo-Iranian Sun-god Mithra. It entered Europe from Asia Minor after
>> Alexander's conquest, spread rapidly over the whole Roman Empire<-----
>
>Not true, since the theories of ***ont which it reflects (being
>written in 1911) are now refuted by the archaeology.

Your evidence for that claim is what precisely?

>But again irrelevant.
>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mithraism#The_mithraeum
>>
>> "Many mithraea that follow this basic plan are scattered over much of
>> the Empire's former area, particularly where the legions were
>> stationed along the frontiers (such as Britain)"
>
>Relevance?

Roman built Mithraea in Britain...

>> > Funny how atheists never verify their facts....
>>
>> I don't know why you're mentioning Atheists here ...
>
>Who else bores on about how Mithras=Jesus?

Nowhere did *I* say that "Mithras=Jesus".

>   OK, the odd Christian-hater from other religions, but this is
uncommon.

Personally, I believe that the stories told in the New testament about
a person now commonly known as Jesus are speaking about a real
person...whether everything said about him is true or not is another
matter...also...this is evidence of your own intolerance....you regard
the vast majority of people that speak of a connection (note that I do
not agree with the assertion Mithras=Jesus) as a 'hater'.

>> if you're meaning me because I'm anything but an atheist...
>
>I note, cynically, 

<rolls eyes>

>the lack of positive statement. 

I have a strong Polytheistic faith.

> I enjoy watching people trying to be evasive about their beliefs,

1. I'm quite happy to talk about my faith

> while screaming at others.

2. I'm not screaming though I find it interesting that you find it
necessary to add this inaccurate ad hominem into the discussion.

>Learn something about Roman state religion, and learn a bit of
>tolerance for other people,

Actually, with respect to religion, I am very tolerant...though I am
intolerant of intolerance.

> and learn some honesty.

That's just silly. 

If I'm wrong I'm honestly wrong...I'm not deliberately attempting to
deceive. 

You, however, are engaging in ad homines...deliberately.

Nik

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