Re: IBM vs MS...was: Re: DOLLAR COLLAPSE NOW IMMINENT

On Mon, 19 May 2008 15:43:16 -0700 (PDT), BobR
<reed1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>What best years of the Americans are you talking about? 
...  .

Take a look at the fifties into the seventies. Higher standards of
living, more disposable income, job security, pensions, affordable
colleges, affordable medicine and drugs. 

Since then the dereg machine has started taking down all the firewalls
to prevent those phenomena we learned about in the great depression
and the results are predictable, the housing and loan crisis, the
accoutring crisis, the dot com boom, and now the financial services
melt down.

With that we totally revamped our tax structure away from cor****ate
income taxes on to income taxes, and have become ever less progressive
in our income taxes. We taken down the jobs -protection in favor of
cheap labor, we've destroyed unions, and we've made a royal mess of
things for all but a very few.

>Now we are talking about a recession when we are still experiencing
>some of the lowest unemployment in our history.

which of course reflects a reliance on bogus numbers. 

>  I know some states
>are not sharing in the high employment but that too is historical
>cycles that you will always have.  

LOL. High employment?  Employment participation rates have been
dropping since Bush took office. The rates of those working part time
who want to work full time have been climbing, the unemp[loyment rate
stays low by not counting the independent contractors who've stopped
working, and not counting those who've stopped looking.  You want
something interesting look at what the birth/death model has added to
the "jobs" figures. See what's really happening:

http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2008/05/nfp-roundup.html
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/12/more-on-birthde.html
http://bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2005/05/uhoh_below_nfp_.html


All too many months over 90% of the jobs "created" (before they
started admitting were losing jobs) were created by a "modeling
correction".

Throw in a few million illeglas, falling wages, etc., etc. 

>The newspapers here in DFW just
>re****ted the state figures for Texas and all of the major metro areas
>and the state are at record low levels for unemployment with many jobs
>(good jobs) going begging.  

Yeah high oil prices do benefit those texans. 

>All of that with over 12 million illegals
>in the country working too.  Those of us in the information sector
>have been hit hard this time because instead of the hard blue colar
>jobs going overseas, it was our jobs.

Yep, and who's letting in the HB-1 As? And who rewrote the taxes to
make off shorign attractive?

>If you really want to change then quit buying anything made anywhere
>but the USA.  Convince your neighbors, friends, and everyone else to
>do the same.  The problem is that people will buy and consume what
>they want at the price they want to pay.  If that means buying from
>China, India, and other cheap manufacturing countries, they  will do
>it.  Unless you want to force them to pay a lot more for much less
>there is little you can do to stop it.  Would you pay twice as much
>for that HD TV made entire in the US if you could by one of equal
>quality from Japan or China at half the price?  Most people will not
>which is what forces many US cor****ations to manufacture their
>products elsewhere.

We used to have tariffs and policies that aimed at protecting wages
and protecting jobs. 

But you buy the free trade nonsense that a rising tide lifts all
****ps. . . . And anyway it's their end of the boat that's leaking, not
mine.