tbj.blue@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Feb 14, 10:36 am, lorad...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Feb 13, 9:18 pm, "tbj.b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>
>>> Building Anti-ballistic missile systems near Russian border,
>> Moskow is ringed by two (2) rings of divisional strength ABM forces..
>> Why should moskow complain about one Polish site with twelve
>> missiles.. to protect all of Europe?
>
Moscow is complaining because the US is planning a presence in Poland,
which will act to make Russias' interference in Poland more difficult.
The missiles are just a pretext. On the US side the missiles are also
a pretext. They say these missiles are to defend against rougue launches
from NK or Iran (?). But it's only so that they can get a presence in
the area.
>
> Why did the USA complain about missiles in Cuba? USSR had sufficient
> nuclear missiles to destroy the USA anyway, so why bother about Cuba?
>
Because the missiles in Cuba were only a minute or two from possible
targets. But also in the background was the irritant of having Russian
forces and influence so close.
>
>>> Organizing colour revolutions in Russian neighbouring states to keep
>>> them anti-Russia,
>>>
These 'revolutions' were/are anti dictator****p and anti corruption.
If there is an anti Russian component, it is because Russia is seen
as being somehow connected with the existing corruption or dictator****p
>>
>> If you ask Ukrainians or Georgians whether the US organized their
>> national opinion, you would be laughed out of the room.
>>
Of course. Otherwise the people would demonstrate anti US sentiments.
>
> The reality is that a majority of either of those countries can side
> with Russia in a heartbeat if western agit-prop stops. Viktor
> Yuschenko and Yulia together account for less than half of all
> Ukrainian votes even now.
>
Well Yuschenko and Tymoshenko are just two individuals. So of couse
they're less than half the votes. :)
However the political blocks they lead did win the latest election.
So they are at least the plurality of the votes, _even_ _now_.
There would be a great deal less turmoil in Ukraine if Russia stopped
its' agit-prop. That's for sure.
>
>>> Slamming Russian elections without sufficient cause,
>> Political assassinations, show trials, and street beatings of freedom
>> sup****ters constitute 'sufficient cause' to criticize.
>
> I didn't see you protesting when Al Gore lost to W even after winning
> more votes. The fraud in Florida that W's brother engineered was
> ignored even by the US supreme court. Now, THAT is corruption.
>
Corruption it may be. But it is within the US and has nothing to do
with the Russian elections. It's irrelevant, and your arguement
is just sour grapes.
>
>>> Funding NGOs in Russia which try to undermine the state's authority
>>> and spread discontent,
>> Of course.. who needs Amnesty International, British cultural
>> exhibitions, or Mormons to threaten the russian state, anyway.
>
> Who is AI accountable to? Does it agitate against Guantanamo? CIA
> secret prisons? Genocide in Iraq?
>
I believe that it does.
>
>>> Bringing Nato to the borders of Russia.
>> Brought to russia's border by those nations themselves.
>> Do you have problems with national sovereignty... other than russian?
>
> Missiles were brought to Cuba by the Cubans themselves.
> Do you have problems with national sovereignty?
>
No they were delivered by the Russians. In Soviet ****ps. :)
>
>>> Are these not cold-war mindsets that precipitated the Russian
>>> reaction?
>> No.. these are all products of lying russian propaganda or habitual
>> russian psychosis.
>
> The only psychosis visible these days is the WASP psychosis that has
> killed a million innocent Iraqis and displaced 4 million more since
> 2003.
>
>>> My view on this subject is that the WASP countries deliberately
>>> provoked Russia in order to justify their antipathy towards it.
>> Of course, comrade...
>> The wasps' telekinetic powers yanked those russian bombers right over
>> the US aircraft carrier.
>
> Does the US own the oceans too now? And the skies above them?
>
Why no! What ever leads you to make that accusation?
>>>
>>> And I
>>> can bet that the 'intellectual' bastards in the Pentagon are the ones
>>> who plan all of this with the next 50 years of conflict in their
minds.
>> If you want to talk about real military bastards.. you need to review
>> russia and wwII.
>> Grozny is a more recent example.
>
> The Russians defeated Hitler. Chechnya death toll was in thousands,
> while Iraq death toll is over a million.
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