vkarlamov1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Mar 3, 6:05 pm, "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urj...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>> vkarlam...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>> On Mar 3, 7:22 am, "Rostyslaw J. Lewyckyj" <urj...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote:
>>>> ostap_bender_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>> On Mar 2, 8:20 pm, The Black Monk <ch....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>>>>> On Mar 1, 3:59 pm, ostap_bender_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>>>>> I just found a seemingly objective and authoritative description of
>>>>> the 1941 Lviv / Lwow Massacre in Die Zeit in 2001:
>>>>> http://www.zeit.de/2001/26/200126_a-lemberg.xml
>>>>> How is your German, BM? Mine is very rusty. Takes me a long time
to
>>>>> understand the details. Can anybody help translate?
>>>> Well you could always ask MTRP.
>>> I am almost done myself.
>>>> Tis odd that you didn't cross post to soc.culture.jewish or israel
>>>> Surely there are plenty of people there who would be eager to help
>>>> you out.
>>>> It surely wouldn't be an oversight? Eh?
>>>> By the way does the article discuss at all the systematic slaughter
>>>> of the Ukrainian intelligentsia carried out by the retreating
Russian
>>>> armies just before the German invasion. Does it mention who were the
>>>> collaborators with the communists that helped prepare the lists of
>>>> those to be liquidated?
>>> Of course it does. It is a perfect work by a responsible historian,
>>> published in a historical journal and reprinted by the most
>>> authoritative newspaper in Germany if not the world:
>>> "In the three prisons of Lemberg, Germans discovered murdered
inmates. The
>>> Soviet NKVD did not have time to evacuate 4 000 prisoners due to the
rapid
>>> advance of the German troops, missing means of trans****tation,
>>> and a rebellion by Ukrainian nationalists."
>>>> Oh yes. You sure know how to select the unbiased and historically
>>>> accurate accounts to present as as arguments by authority.
>>> Yes I do. What do you have against Die Zeit?
>>>> P.s. An uncle and an aunt of mine were murdered in prison by the
Russians
>>>> in Stryj ~30 miles from Lviv during that retreat. My parents
described
>>>> searching with their parents, for the corpses of their brother and
sister
>>>> among the dead in the places where the Russians carried out their
slaughter.
>>>> --
>>> Welcome to the club. All my relatives, who hadn't moved to Moscow or
>>> Leningrad, were murdered in Latvia, Belarus, Lithuania and Kiev.
>> Yes, but does the article mention who were the collaborators
>>
>
> The article mentions very few individual names. I don't think the
> names of collaborators are known.
>
No not individual names. But does the article state which ethnic or
cultural group the collaborators of the NKVD belonged to?
My parents also recounted how in the 1920s and 1930s their remembrance
marches to the cemetary of the Ukrainian Sichovi Striltsi were harrased
by Jewish youths. Could there be a connection with the class of NKVD
collaborators?
>
> Why don't you read it for yourself? The link is above.
>
>> that helped
>> the NKVD compile the lists of the Ukrainian intelligentcia whom they
had
>> in those prisons?
>>
>
> I am not sure what you mean by "lists" and "intelligentcia" here. NKVD
> went after all cl*****, primarily the bourgeous. There were no lists
> afaik. It was Bandera's UPA that had compiled lists of Jewish, Polish
^^^^^ opposite to afaik.
> and Uke liberal "intelligentcia" in advance.
>
That is patently impossible, since the UPA was not formed until 1942-43.
>
>> And does it mention similar prisons in the surrounding towns?
>>
>
> No, it deals exclusively with Lemberg, June 22 - July 4 1941.
>
> Read it.
>
Sure. I hope to read your translation. :)
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Rostyk
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