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Re: The History of Latvia

by Dmitry <dmitrijsfedotovs@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 29, 2008 at 08:12 AM

On 29 Apr, 11:13, P=C4=93teris Cedri=C5=86=C5=A1 (Peteris Cedrins)
<cedr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On 29 Apr., 13:05, P=C4=93teris Cedri=C5=86=C5=A1 (Peteris Cedrins)
>
>
>
>
>
> <cedr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > On 29 Apr., 13:03, P=C4=93teris Cedri=C5=86=C5=A1 (Peteris Cedrins)
>
> > <cedr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > On 28 Apr., 23:26, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > [snip]
>
> > > > I think Latvia is quite far away already: independent country, in
> > > > different "union", in different military "union", with different
> > > > politics etc... =C2=A0I think today it is more important to learn
ho=
w to
> > > > balance the "distance" with trying to keep OK relationship with
the
> > > > large neighbour (because it's just there, a short walk from
Zilupe,
> > > > and is not going to go away). =C2=A0I thought signing Abrene off
was=
 one of
> > > > these steps.
>
> > > Here is what Artis Pabriks, the Foreign Minister who resigned and
left=

> > > TPO last year, has to say about how Russia is returning here faster
> > > than we are "returning to Europe" --
>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Krievija atgrie=C3=BEas pie mums =C3=A2tr=C3=A2k,
nek=C3=
=A2 m=C3=A7s pasp=C3=A7ju=C3=B0i atgriezties
> > > Eirop=C3=A2
> > > =C2=A0
=C2=A0http://www.diena.lv/lat/politics/blog/artis_pabriks/kriev=
ija_atgriezh...
>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Artis Pabriks
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pirmdiena, 14. apr=C3=AElis (2008) 12:07
>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Varb=C3=BBt =C3=B0is blogs ir balst=C3=AEts
vair=C3=A2k =
uz intu=C3=AEciju nek=C3=A2 uz anal=C3=AEzi
> > > un sausiem faktiem, bet blogu uzdevums jau nav pied=C3=A2v=C3=A2t ne
a=
kad=C3=A7misku,
> > > ne ar=C3=AE politiskiem risin=C3=A2jumiem bag=C3=A2tu rakstu
kr=C3=A2j=
umu. Man=C3=A2 izpratn=C3=A7
> > > bloga uzdevums ir rosin=C3=A2t dom=C3=A2=C3=B0anu un diskusiju.
Modin=
=C3=A2t pilso=C3=B2us
> > > as=C3=A2kai domai un akt=C3=AEv=C3=A2kai darb=C3=AEbai.
>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Es dom=C3=A2ju, ka p=C3=A7d=C3=A7j=C3=A2 laik=C3=A2
Latv=
ij=C3=A2 atgrie=C3=BEas Krievijas un l=C3=AEdz ar
> > > to biju=C3=B0=C3=A2s Padomju Savien=C3=AEbas inform=C3=A2cijas telpa
u=
n politisk=C3=A2 ietekme.
> > > Tas notiek uz Krievijas g=C3=A2zes un naftas miljardu mugur=C3=A2m
un =
ar m=C3=BBsu
> > > pa=C3=B0u izpal=C3=AEgu rok=C3=A2m. Man nekad nav biju=C3=B0as
=C3=B0a=
ubas, ka, mazai valstij
> > > esot blakus lielai, neizb=C3=A7gama ir liel=C3=A2s ietekme uz mazo.
Be=
t!
>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C3=90odienas probl=C3=A7ma ir t=C3=A2, ka Krievija
atgr=
ie=C3=BEas pie mums =C3=A2tr=C3=A2k nek=C3=A2
> > > m=C3=A7s esam pasp=C3=A7ju=C3=B0i atgriezties Eirop=C3=A2! =C2=A017
ne=
atkar=C3=AEbas gadi ir biju=C3=B0u
> > > pietiekami p=C3=A2rejas periodam uz tirgus ekonomiku un
demokr=C3=A2ti=
ju, bet
> > > tie nav biju=C3=B0i pietiekami, lai m=C3=BBsu demokr=C3=A2tiju
konsoli=
d=C3=A7tu,
> > > izveidojot eiropeisku izgl=C3=AEt=C3=AEbas sist=C3=A7mu un
eiropeisku =
labkl=C3=A2j=C3=AEbas
> > > sist=C3=A7mu. M=C3=A7s v=C3=A7l neesam pasp=C3=A7ju=C3=B0i
izaudzin=C3=
=A2t eiropeisku jauno paaudzi,
> > > kas sp=C3=A7tu aizst=C3=A2v=C3=A7t m=C3=BBsu trausl=C3=A2s
demokr=C3=
=A2tisk=C3=A2s un liber=C3=A2l=C3=A2s v=C3=A7rt=C3=AEbas
> > > pret Krievijas meln=C3=A2 zelt=C3=A2 iesm=C3=A7r=C3=A7to tir=C3=A7nu
k=
=C3=A2rdin=C3=A2jumu. M=C3=BBsu
> > > sabiedr=C3=AEba un valsts nav =C3=B0im izaicin=C3=A2jumam v=C3=A7l
gat=
ava.
>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 K=C3=A2ds Latvijas hokeja vad=C3=AEbas l=C3=AEderis
k=C3=
=A2d=C3=A2 nesen=C3=A2 intervij=C3=A2 =C3=AFoti
> > > skaidri raksturoja da=C3=AFas m=C3=BBsu sabiedr=C3=AEbas attieksmi
apm=
=C3=A7ram =C3=B0=C3=A2di: mani
> > > interes=C3=A7 labs hokejs, mani neinteres=C3=A7, vai aiz t=C3=A2
st=C3=
=A2v Putins, Kremlis
> > > vai Gazprom. Diem=C3=BE=C3=A7l, tas nekad nav tikai hokejs, tikai
kult=
=C3=BBra vai
> > > tikai bizness. Tas, kas notiek, vienm=C3=A7r ir politika,
neatkar=C3=
=AEgi no t=C3=A2
> > > vai m=C3=A7s to gribam vai negribam. Kas attiec=C3=A2s uz hokeju, es
k=
aut k=C3=A2
> > > t=C3=AEri intuit=C3=AEvi b=C3=BBtu lab=C3=A2k dzird=C3=A7jis hokeja
fu=
nkcion=C3=A2ru atskaiti par
> > > to, k=C3=A2 vi=C3=B2i ar sviedriem uz pieres nop=C3=BBlas ar to, lai
g=
=C3=BBtu m=C3=BBsu hokeja
> > > komandai iesp=C3=A7ju sp=C3=A7l=C3=A7t kvalitat=C3=AEvu hokeju
Somij=
=C3=A2 vai Zviedrij=C3=A2, nevis
> > > Krievij=C3=A2. Un ne jau t=C3=A2p=C3=A7c, ka man nepatiktu krievi,
bet=
 gan t=C3=A2p=C3=A7c, ka
> > > t=C3=A2 ir politika. Tie b=C3=BBs krievu valodas formast=C3=A7rpi,
Kri=
evijas himna
> > > pirms katras sp=C3=A7les harlamova div=C3=AEzij=C3=A2 un Krievijas
pol=
itisk=C3=A2 kult=C3=BBra
> > > un valoda m=C3=BBsu hokeja kult=C3=BBr=C3=A2.
>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Frensis Fukujama p=C3=A7z PSRS sabrukuma
rakst=C3=AEja, =
ka m=C3=BBsdien=C3=A2s
> > > milit=C3=A2r=C3=A2s kaujas tiek izkarotas sport=C3=A2. T=C3=A2
izpau=
=C3=BEas m=C3=BBsdienu
> > > patriotisms un nacion=C3=A2lisms. M=C3=A7s nosod=C3=A2m to, ka
latvie=
=C3=B0iem v=C3=A7stures
> > > liel=C3=A2kaj=C3=A2s kauj=C3=A2s ir bijis j=C3=A2c=C3=AEn=C3=A2s zem
c=
itu valstu karogiem un citu
> > > valstu formast=C3=A7rpos. =C3=90odien, 18 gadus p=C3=A7c
barik=C3=A2d=
=C3=A7m, m=C3=A7s atkal esam
> > > gatavi uzvilkt citu valstu formast=C3=A7rpu.
>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Bet manas bloga p=C3=A2rdomas nav tikai par hokeju. Ja
m=
=C3=A7s tuv=C3=A2k
> > > paanaliz=C3=A7jam m=C3=BBsu mediju vidi vai m=C3=BBsu pa=C3=B0u
iztur=
=C3=A7=C3=B0anos, m=C3=A7s redzam,
> > > ka krievu filmas TV ekr=C3=A2nos, krieviski cit=C3=A2ti un joki
m=C3=
=BBsu TV zvaig=C3=BEnu
> > > un politi=C3=ADu leksik=C3=A2 atgrie=C3=BEas. Atgrie=C3=BEas
Krievijas=
 nauda un agri vai
> > > v=C3=A7lu t=C3=A2 pras=C3=AEs savu da=C3=AFu Latvijas politik=C3=A2.
>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Krievijas politisk=C3=A2 telpa sp=C3=A7j atgriezties
tur=
, kur eiropeisk=C3=A2
> > > telpa ir trausla. Tie=C3=B0=C3=A2m, uz savu =C2=A5mazo
kult=C3=BBru=C2=
=A1 ne vienm=C3=A7r varam
> > > pa=C3=AFauties, bet Eiropas lielo kult=C3=BBru v=C3=A7l neesam
apguvu=
=C3=B0i. Vil=C3=B0an=C3=A2s
> > > savas valsts p=C3=A2rvald=C3=A7 un politik=C3=A2 vienlaikus ar
v=C3=A7=
l nep=C3=A2r=C3=B2emtaj=C3=A2m
> > > Eiropas v=C3=A7rt=C3=AEb=C3=A2m rada situ=C3=A2ciju, kur PSRS
dz=C3=AE=
ve jau k=C3=AFuvusi par
> > > sentimentu, bet PSRS-2 pievelk ar un nop=C3=A7rk ar naudu.
>
> > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Es =C3=B0eit negribu aicin=C3=A2t vair=C3=A2k
nerun=C3=
=A2t ar masu sazi=C3=B2as l=C3=AEdzek=C3=AFiem
> > > krievu valod=C3=A2, k=C3=A2 to dara da=C3=BEs labs m=C3=BBsu
politi=C3=
=ADis, jo dom=C3=A2ju, ka tas
> > > ir ne tikai mu=C3=AF=C3=AD=C3=AEgs populisms, bet pretrun=C3=A2 ar
Lat=
vijas likumdo=C3=B0anas
> > > garu, kas ir devusi ties=C3=AEbas m=C3=BBsu
maz=C3=A2kumtaut=C3=AEb=C3=
=A2m lietot savu valodu.
> > > Tom=C3=A7r es uzskatu, ka m=C3=A7s ejam nepareizaj=C3=A2
virzien=C3=A2=
 daudzos
> > > integr=C3=A2cijas aspektos. Ja m=C3=A7s gribam saglab=C3=A2t savu
neat=
kar=C3=AEbu un
> > > demokr=C3=A2tiju, mums ir j=C3=A2pieliek visas p=C3=BBles, lai
k=C3=AF=
=C3=BBtu par eiropeisku
> > > valsti ne tikai p=C3=A7c formas, bet ar=C3=AE p=C3=A7c satura, un
tas =
attiecas ne
> > > tikai uz valsti kopum=C3=A2, bet uz katru no mums k=C3=A2
indiv=C3=AEd=
u. Virkne
> > > Eiropas politisko anal=C3=AEti=C3=ADu ir s=C3=A2ku=C3=B0i celt
trauksm=
i par Latviju k=C3=A2
> > > trausl=C3=A2ko posmu =C3=B0aj=C3=A2 re=C3=ACion=C3=A2. Es
dom=C3=A2ju,=
 ka ir pien=C3=A2cis tas laiks, kad
> > > mums visiem, bet sevi=C3=B0=C3=ADi jau m=C3=BBsu jaunatnei, ir
j=C3=A2=
iz=C3=B0=C3=ADiras, vai t=C3=A2
> > > grib Latviju Eirop=C3=A2 vai Krieviju Latvij=C3=A2. Mums katram ir
j=
=C3=A2iz=C3=B0=C3=ADiras,
> > > vai m=C3=A7s esam eiropie=C3=B0i vai atkal sve=C3=B0u formu
n=C3=A7s=
=C3=A2t=C3=A2ji k=C3=A2rt=C3=A7j=C3=A2 v=C3=A7stures
> > > tra=C3=AC=C3=A7dij=C3=A2.
>
> > > Vysu lobu,
> > > /P
>
> > >http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
>
> > Erratum --
>
> > TP -- Tatutas Partija -- not "TPO."
>
> > The diacritics aren't working correctly, as usual... but you can click
> > on the article here --
>
>
>http://www.diena.lv/lat/politics/blog/artis_pabriks/krievija_atgriezh...
>
> > /P
>
> >http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
>
> Erratum again -- Tautas Partija!

Thanks.  I don't know much about Pabriks, but from some snapshots I
read and heard he comes across as a politician who tries to find that
balance.  It is not an easy task.  I also remember him talking about
developing local energy sources (I quite leked that).  I don't know
what you think of him, but I bet you didn't like this: "Es =C5=A1eit
negribu aicin=C4=81t vair=C4=81k nerun=C4=81t ar masu sazi=C5=86as
l=C4=ABdz=
ek=C4=BCiem krievu
valod=C4=81, k=C4=81 to dara da=C5=BEs labs m=C5=ABsu politi=C4=B7is, jo
dom=
=C4=81ju, ka tas ir ne
tikai mu=C4=BC=C4=B7=C4=ABgs populisms...etc.".




 77 Posts in Topic:
The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-04-25 23:27:17 
Re: The History of Latvia
ostap_bender_1900@[EMAIL   2008-04-26 02:48:07 
Re: The History of Latvia
ostap_bender_1900@[EMAIL   2008-04-26 02:53:07 
Re: The History of Latvia
Dmitry <dmitrijsfedoto  2008-04-26 13:15:50 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?windows-1252?Q?MTRP=99?  2008-04-26 17:24:25 
Re: The History of Latvia
Anton <anton.usenet@[E  2008-04-28 13:13:52 
Re: The History of Latvia
darsiaubas@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-04-26 21:32:27 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-04-28 08:14:22 
Re: The History of Latvia
Vladimir Makarenko <vm  2008-04-28 22:57:04 
Re: The History of Latvia
Dmitry <dmitrijsfedoto  2008-04-28 13:26:39 
Re: The History of Latvia
anita <kodols@[EMAIL P  2008-04-28 15:07:14 
Re: The History of Latvia
lorad474@[EMAIL PROTECTED  2008-04-28 23:33:21 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-04-29 03:03:06 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-04-29 03:05:48 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-04-29 03:13:00 
Re: The History of Latvia
"captain." <  2008-04-29 10:27:52 
Re: The History of Latvia
Dmitry <dmitrijsfedoto  2008-04-29 08:12:12 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-04-29 22:08:30 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-04-29 23:36:45 
Re: The History of Latvia
"J. Anderson" &  2008-04-30 10:38:20 
Re: The History of Latvia
Dmitry <dmitrijsfedoto  2008-04-30 13:14:49 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?windows-1252?Q?MTRP=99?  2008-05-01 08:19:31 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-01 10:47:32 
Re: The History of Latvia
"J. Anderson" &  2008-05-01 22:15:29 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-01 11:36:33 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?windows-1252?Q?MTRP=99?  2008-05-01 13:59:48 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-01 21:41:30 
Re: The History of Latvia
Vladimir Makarenko <vm  2008-05-02 22:39:37 
Re: The History of Latvia
ostap_bender_1900@[EMAIL   2008-05-02 02:37:18 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-02 20:54:06 
Re: The History of Latvia
"J. Anderson" &  2008-05-03 12:12:56 
Re: The History of Latvia
ostap_bender_1900@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 02:38:57 
Re: The History of Latvia
ostap_bender_1900@[EMAIL   2008-05-03 02:54:30 
Re: The History of Latvia
Dmitry <dmitrijsfedoto  2008-05-03 06:41:40 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-03 08:27:57 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-03 09:28:08 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-04 20:26:41 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-04 23:40:59 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-05 20:18:18 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-05 20:31:02 
Re: The History of Latvia
"J. Anderson" &  2008-05-06 11:07:25 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-06 05:20:24 
Re: The History of Latvia
"J. Anderson" &  2008-05-06 17:34:23 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-06 09:34:28 
Re: The History of Latvia
Dmitry <dmitrijsfedoto  2008-05-06 11:14:09 
Re: The History of Latvia
"J. Anderson" &  2008-05-06 23:21:16 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?windows-1252?Q?MTRP=99?  2008-05-06 12:37:13 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?windows-1252?Q?MTRP=99?  2008-05-06 13:05:58 
Re: The History of Latvia
Dmitry <dmitrijsfedoto  2008-05-06 15:01:15 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?windows-1252?Q?MTRP=99?  2008-05-06 16:07:05 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-06 21:00:01 
Re: The History of Latvia
"J. Anderson" &  2008-05-07 12:16:19 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-06 21:05:01 
Re: The History of Latvia
ostap_bender_1900@[EMAIL   2008-05-06 21:09:02 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-06 23:12:00 
Re: The History of Latvia
ostap_bender_1900@[EMAIL   2008-05-06 23:15:13 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-06 23:23:14 
Re: The History of Latvia
ostap_bender_1900@[EMAIL   2008-05-06 23:43:41 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-07 02:47:34 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?windows-1252?Q?MTRP=99?  2008-05-07 03:58:23 
Re: The History of Latvia
"J. Anderson" &  2008-05-07 14:07:57 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-07 04:21:23 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?windows-1252?Q?MTRP=99?  2008-05-07 14:48:15 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?windows-1252?Q?MTRP=99?  2008-05-07 14:52:30 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-07 20:23:29 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-08 00:05:27 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-08 04:25:40 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-08 06:46:23 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-08 15:56:03 
Re: The History of Latvia
The Black Monk <ch.mon  2008-05-08 16:24:41 
Re: The History of Latvia
ostap_bender_1900@[EMAIL   2008-05-09 15:10:07 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-10 04:30:18 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-18 06:31:59 
Re: The History of Latvia
Vladimir Makarenko <vm  2008-05-18 16:17:49 
Re: The History of Latvia
"J. Anderson" &  2008-05-22 10:18:37 
Re: The History of Latvia
=?ISO-8859-13?Q?P=E7teris  2008-05-22 09:53:05 
Re: The History of Latvia
Vladimir Makarenko <vm  2008-05-24 00:59:22 

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