On 29 Apr., 18:12, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On 29 Apr, 11:13, P=C4=93teris Cedri=C5=86=C5=A1 (Peteris Cedrins)
>
>
>
> <cedr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > On 29 Apr., 13:05, P=C4=93teris Cedri=C5=86=C5=A1 (Peteris Cedrins)
>
> > <cedr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > On 29 Apr., 13:03, P=C4=93teris Cedri=C5=86=C5=A1 (Peteris Cedrins)
>
> > > <cedr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > > > On 28 Apr., 23:26, Dmitry <dmitrijsfedot...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > [snip]
>
> > > > > I think Latvia is quite far away already: independent country,
in
> > > > > different "union", in different military "union", with different
> > > > > politics etc... I think today it is more im****tant to learn how
t=
o
> > > > > balance the "distance" with trying to keep OK relation****p with
th=
e
> > > > > large neighbour (because it's just there, a short walk from
Zilupe=
,
> > > > > and is not going to go away). I thought signing Abrene off was
on=
e of
> > > > > these steps.
>
> > > > Here is what Artis Pabriks, the Foreign Minister who resigned and
le=
ft
> > > > TPO last year, has to say about how Russia is returning here
faster
> > > > than we are "returning to Europe" --
>
> > > > Krievija atgrie=C3=BEas pie mums =C3=A2tr=C3=A2k, nek=C3=A2
m=C3=
=A7s pasp=C3=A7ju=C3=B0i atgriezties
> > > > Eirop=C3=A2
> > > >
http://www.diena.lv/lat/politics/blog/artis_pabriks/krievija_atgr=
iezh...
>
> > > > Artis Pabriks
> > > > Pirmdiena, 14. apr=C3=AElis (2008) 12:07
>
> > > > Varb=C3=BBt =C3=B0is blogs ir balst=C3=AEts vair=C3=A2k uz
intu=
=C3=AEciju nek=C3=A2 uz anal=C3=AEzi
> > > > un sausiem faktiem, bet blogu uzdevums jau nav pied=C3=A2v=C3=A2t
ne=
akad=C3=A7misku,
> > > > ne ar=C3=AE politiskiem risin=C3=A2jumiem bag=C3=A2tu rakstu
kr=C3=
=A2jumu. Man=C3=A2 izpratn=C3=A7
> > > > bloga uzdevums ir rosin=C3=A2t dom=C3=A2=C3=B0anu un diskusiju.
Modi=
n=C3=A2t pilso=C3=B2us
> > > > as=C3=A2kai domai un akt=C3=AEv=C3=A2kai darb=C3=AEbai.
>
> > > > Es dom=C3=A2ju, ka p=C3=A7d=C3=A7j=C3=A2 laik=C3=A2
Latvij=C3=A2=
atgrie=C3=BEas Krievijas un l=C3=AEdz ar
> > > > to biju=C3=B0=C3=A2s Padomju Savien=C3=AEbas inform=C3=A2cijas
telpa=
un politisk=C3=A2 ietekme.
> > > > Tas notiek uz Krievijas g=C3=A2zes un naftas miljardu mugur=C3=A2m
u=
n ar m=C3=BBsu
> > > > pa=C3=B0u izpal=C3=AEgu rok=C3=A2m. Man nekad nav biju=C3=B0as
=C3=
=B0aubas, ka, mazai valstij
> > > > esot blakus lielai, neizb=C3=A7gama ir liel=C3=A2s ietekme uz
mazo. =
Bet!
>
> > > > =C3=90odienas probl=C3=A7ma ir t=C3=A2, ka Krievija
atgrie=C3=BE=
as pie mums =C3=A2tr=C3=A2k nek=C3=A2
> > > > m=C3=A7s esam pasp=C3=A7ju=C3=B0i atgriezties Eirop=C3=A2! 17
neatk=
ar=C3=AEbas gadi ir biju=C3=B0u
> > > > pietiekami p=C3=A2rejas periodam uz tirgus ekonomiku un
demokr=C3=A2=
tiju, bet
> > > > tie nav biju=C3=B0i pietiekami, lai m=C3=BBsu demokr=C3=A2tiju
konso=
lid=C3=A7tu,
> > > > izveidojot eiropeisku izgl=C3=AEt=C3=AEbas sist=C3=A7mu un
eiropeisk=
u labkl=C3=A2j=C3=AEbas
> > > > sist=C3=A7mu. M=C3=A7s v=C3=A7l neesam pasp=C3=A7ju=C3=B0i
izaudzin=
=C3=A2t eiropeisku jauno paaudzi,
> > > > kas sp=C3=A7tu aizst=C3=A2v=C3=A7t m=C3=BBsu trausl=C3=A2s
demokr=C3=
=A2tisk=C3=A2s un liber=C3=A2l=C3=A2s v=C3=A7rt=C3=AEbas
> > > > pret Krievijas meln=C3=A2 zelt=C3=A2 iesm=C3=A7r=C3=A7to
tir=C3=A7nu=
k=C3=A2rdin=C3=A2jumu. M=C3=BBsu
> > > > sabiedr=C3=AEba un valsts nav =C3=B0im izaicin=C3=A2jumam v=C3=A7l
g=
atava.
>
> > > > K=C3=A2ds Latvijas hokeja vad=C3=AEbas l=C3=AEderis
k=C3=A2d=C3=
=A2 nesen=C3=A2 intervij=C3=A2 =C3=AFoti
> > > > skaidri raksturoja da=C3=AFas m=C3=BBsu sabiedr=C3=AEbas attieksmi
a=
pm=C3=A7ram =C3=B0=C3=A2di: mani
> > > > interes=C3=A7 labs hokejs, mani neinteres=C3=A7, vai aiz t=C3=A2
st=
=C3=A2v Putins, Kremlis
> > > > vai Gazprom. Diem=C3=BE=C3=A7l, tas nekad nav tikai hokejs, tikai
ku=
lt=C3=BBra vai
> > > > tikai bizness. Tas, kas notiek, vienm=C3=A7r ir politika,
neatkar=C3=
=AEgi no t=C3=A2
> > > > vai m=C3=A7s to gribam vai negribam. Kas attiec=C3=A2s uz hokeju,
es=
kaut k=C3=A2
> > > > t=C3=AEri intuit=C3=AEvi b=C3=BBtu lab=C3=A2k dzird=C3=A7jis
hokeja =
funkcion=C3=A2ru atskaiti par
> > > > to, k=C3=A2 vi=C3=B2i ar sviedriem uz pieres nop=C3=BBlas ar to,
lai=
g=C3=BBtu m=C3=BBsu hokeja
> > > > komandai iesp=C3=A7ju sp=C3=A7l=C3=A7t kvalitat=C3=AEvu hokeju
Somij=
=C3=A2 vai Zviedrij=C3=A2, nevis
> > > > Krievij=C3=A2. Un ne jau t=C3=A2p=C3=A7c, ka man nepatiktu krievi,
b=
et gan t=C3=A2p=C3=A7c, ka
> > > > t=C3=A2 ir politika. Tie b=C3=BBs krievu valodas formast=C3=A7rpi,
K=
rievijas himna
> > > > pirms katras sp=C3=A7les harlamova div=C3=AEzij=C3=A2 un Krievijas
p=
olitisk=C3=A2 kult=C3=BBra
> > > > un valoda m=C3=BBsu hokeja kult=C3=BBr=C3=A2.
>
> > > > Frensis Fukujama p=C3=A7z PSRS sabrukuma rakst=C3=AEja, ka
m=C3=
=BBsdien=C3=A2s
> > > > milit=C3=A2r=C3=A2s kaujas tiek izkarotas s****t=C3=A2. T=C3=A2
izpau=
=C3=BEas m=C3=BBsdienu
> > > > patriotisms un nacion=C3=A2lisms. M=C3=A7s nosod=C3=A2m to, ka
latvi=
e=C3=B0iem v=C3=A7stures
> > > > liel=C3=A2kaj=C3=A2s kauj=C3=A2s ir bijis j=C3=A2c=C3=AEn=C3=A2s
zem=
citu valstu karogiem un citu
> > > > valstu formast=C3=A7rpos. =C3=90odien, 18 gadus p=C3=A7c
barik=C3=A2=
d=C3=A7m, m=C3=A7s atkal esam
> > > > gatavi uzvilkt citu valstu formast=C3=A7rpu.
>
> > > > Bet manas bloga p=C3=A2rdomas nav tikai par hokeju. Ja
m=C3=A7s =
tuv=C3=A2k
> > > > paanaliz=C3=A7jam m=C3=BBsu mediju vidi vai m=C3=BBsu pa=C3=B0u
iztu=
r=C3=A7=C3=B0anos, m=C3=A7s redzam,
> > > > ka krievu filmas TV ekr=C3=A2nos, krieviski cit=C3=A2ti un joki
m=C3=
=BBsu TV zvaig=C3=BEnu
> > > > un politi=C3=ADu leksik=C3=A2 atgrie=C3=BEas. Atgrie=C3=BEas
Krievij=
as nauda un agri vai
> > > > v=C3=A7lu t=C3=A2 pras=C3=AEs savu da=C3=AFu Latvijas
politik=C3=A2.=
>
> > > > Krievijas politisk=C3=A2 telpa sp=C3=A7j atgriezties tur, kur
ei=
ropeisk=C3=A2
> > > > telpa ir trausla. Tie=C3=B0=C3=A2m, uz savu =C2=A5mazo
kult=C3=BBru=
=C2=A1 ne vienm=C3=A7r varam
> > > > pa=C3=AFauties, bet Eiropas lielo kult=C3=BBru v=C3=A7l neesam
apguv=
u=C3=B0i. Vil=C3=B0an=C3=A2s
> > > > savas valsts p=C3=A2rvald=C3=A7 un politik=C3=A2 vienlaikus ar
v=C3=
=A7l nep=C3=A2r=C3=B2emtaj=C3=A2m
> > > > Eiropas v=C3=A7rt=C3=AEb=C3=A2m rada situ=C3=A2ciju, kur PSRS
dz=C3=
=AEve jau k=C3=AFuvusi par
> > > > sentimentu, bet PSRS-2 pievelk ar un nop=C3=A7rk ar naudu.
>
> > > > Es =C3=B0eit negribu aicin=C3=A2t vair=C3=A2k nerun=C3=A2t ar
ma=
su sazi=C3=B2as l=C3=AEdzek=C3=AFiem
> > > > krievu valod=C3=A2, k=C3=A2 to dara da=C3=BEs labs m=C3=BBsu
politi=
=C3=ADis, jo dom=C3=A2ju, ka tas
> > > > ir ne tikai mu=C3=AF=C3=AD=C3=AEgs populisms, bet pretrun=C3=A2 ar
L=
atvijas likumdo=C3=B0anas
> > > > garu, kas ir devusi ties=C3=AEbas m=C3=BBsu
maz=C3=A2kumtaut=C3=AEb=
=C3=A2m lietot savu valodu.
> > > > Tom=C3=A7r es uzskatu, ka m=C3=A7s ejam nepareizaj=C3=A2
virzien=C3=
=A2 daudzos
> > > > integr=C3=A2cijas aspektos. Ja m=C3=A7s gribam saglab=C3=A2t savu
ne=
atkar=C3=AEbu un
> > > > demokr=C3=A2tiju, mums ir j=C3=A2pieliek visas p=C3=BBles, lai
k=C3=
=AF=C3=BBtu par eiropeisku
> > > > valsti ne tikai p=C3=A7c formas, bet ar=C3=AE p=C3=A7c satura, un
ta=
s attiecas ne
> > > > tikai uz valsti kopum=C3=A2, bet uz katru no mums k=C3=A2
indiv=C3=
=AEdu. Virkne
> > > > Eiropas politisko anal=C3=AEti=C3=ADu ir s=C3=A2ku=C3=B0i celt
trauk=
smi par Latviju k=C3=A2
> > > > trausl=C3=A2ko posmu =C3=B0aj=C3=A2 re=C3=ACion=C3=A2. Es
dom=C3=A2j=
u, ka ir pien=C3=A2cis tas laiks, kad
> > > > mums visiem, bet sevi=C3=B0=C3=ADi jau m=C3=BBsu jaunatnei, ir
j=C3=
=A2iz=C3=B0=C3=ADiras, vai t=C3=A2
> > > > grib Latviju Eirop=C3=A2 vai Krieviju Latvij=C3=A2. Mums katram ir
j=
=C3=A2iz=C3=B0=C3=ADiras,
> > > > vai m=C3=A7s esam eiropie=C3=B0i vai atkal sve=C3=B0u formu
n=C3=A7s=
=C3=A2t=C3=A2ji k=C3=A2rt=C3=A7j=C3=A2 v=C3=A7stures
> > > > tra=C3=AC=C3=A7dij=C3=A2.
>
> > > > Vysu lobu,
> > > > /P
>
> > > >http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
>
> > > Erratum --
>
> > > TP -- Tatutas Partija -- not "TPO."
>
> > > The diacritics aren't working correctly, as usual... but you can
click=
> > > on the article here --
>
> >
>http://www.diena.lv/lat/politics/blog/artis_pabriks/krievija_atgriezh..=
..
>
> > > /P
>
> > >http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
>
> > Erratum again -- Tautas Partija!
>
> Thanks. I don't know much about Pabriks, but from some snapshots I
> read and heard he comes across as a politician who tries to find that
> balance. It is not an easy task. I also remember him talking about
> developing local energy sources (I quite leked that). I don't know
> what you think of him, but I bet you didn't like this: "Es =C5=A1eit
> negribu aicin=C4=81t vair=C4=81k nerun=C4=81t ar masu sazi=C5=86as
l=C4=AB=
dzek=C4=BCiem krievu
> valod=C4=81, k=C4=81 to dara da=C5=BEs labs m=C5=ABsu politi=C4=B7is, jo
d=
om=C4=81ju, ka tas ir ne
> tikai mu=C4=BC=C4=B7=C4=ABgs populisms...etc.".
You're right -- I didn't like that, because it is a cheap swipe at
Kalniete's and Kristovskis' Civic Union, the new party competing
against =C5=A0tokenbergs' and Pabriks' new party. Furthermore, it's
inaccurate -- Kalniete and Kristovskis said they wouldn't speak to
_Latvian_ media in Russian anymore (e.g., Chas, Vesti, Telegraf,
etc.), on principle; they're not saying they won't speak Russian to
the Russian media (correspondents from Russia).
The second part of the sentence is remarkably absurd -- that their
invitation not to use Russian with the media in Latvia is against the
letter and spirit of the law, which gives minorities the right to use
their languages. No, it's not against the spirit and certainly not
against the letter of the law. Expecting resident Russophones to use
Latvian at a press conference in Latvia doesn't impinge on anyone's
minority rights.
Granted, Kalniete's and Kristovskis' announcement was also a cheap
political ploy, to which he's responding... but I wouldn't call it
"foolish populism." It's a symbolic act. Around the time Pabriks wrote
this piece, the first new Latvian ****p to stay in Latvian waters was
christened in Riga harbor. Grand ceremony, PM and others in
attendance. Interview with the captain of the ****p -- in Russian. Can
the captain not speak Latvian? Could the ****t not find a captain who
can? What language will the captain use with the crew?
Except for that last paragraph, I thought Pabriks' piece was very good
and very troubling -- but it is in agreement with what I said, Dmitry,
about needing to get as far away from Russia as possible. Russian
influence here is growing by leaps and bounds -- as he says, on the
backs of Russian oil and gas and with the helping hand of Latvian
politicians -- and Latvia is not ready for the challenge. Latvia's
entry into the new hockey league is an example of this, as he says;
it's Itera money, and Kalv=C4=ABtis is a little Schr=C3=B6der, as I
suggeste=
d in
another thread.
Pabriks' diagnosis is correct: disappointment in our government and
politics, combined with our not yet having adopted European values,
leads to a situation in which USSR-1 is swathed in sentimentality
whilst USSR-2 uses its black gold to attract and buy us.
> > > > > I think Latvia is quite far away already: independent country,
in
> > > > > different "union", in different military "union", with different
> > > > > politics etc... I think today it is more im****tant to learn how
t=
o
> > > > > balance the "distance" with trying to keep OK relation****p with
th=
e
> > > > > large neighbour (because it's just there, a short walk from
Zilupe=
,
> > > > > and is not going to go away). I thought signing Abrene off was
on=
e of
> > > > > these steps.
I think any steps we take, with the possible exception of acts Russia
finds extremely provocative (e.g., ****fting bronze Alyoshas, etc.) --
things we don't do -- quite simply don't matter very much. Lavrov was
spouting off about our supposed gross human rights violations the day
after the Border Agreement was signed!
Keeping an OK relation****p with the bully next door would entail what,
exactly? We already saw two warning signs last year -- the delay in
sup****ting Estonia in Parliament, and the censor****p of the
do***entary on Putin.
These days, we're not talking about an OK relation****p (something
we've tried for all along, actually -- it's Russia that's responsible
for the bad relation****p) -- we're talking about selling out and
becoming Russia's proxy in the EU. It hasn't happened yet, but when
moderates like Pabriks sound a warning, you know it's time to worry.
EU member****p won't keep Russia out -- on the contrary, it's
attractive to Russia.
On energy -- Latvia is slow and indecisive, much more so than our
neighbors. The Ignalina project is stalled. Latvia has no clear
position in Nord Stream. Prospects for energy include plans for
_increasing_ our dependence on Russian gas.
NATO is another matter -- so far, we strongly sup****t Ukraine's and
Georgia's member****p, which is certainly not to Russia's liking.
That's in our interest, and we should maintain that policy.
Re the eternal issues: despite the Russian refrain re non-citizens,
Lithuania -- which chose the zero option -- doesn't have a good
relation****p with Russia, either. Like I said, what _we_ do to be warm
and fuzzy really doesn't matter that much. If it's not one thing that
gets the Kremlin's goat, it'll be another thing -- Russia's foreign
policy is that of a bully, plain and simple. Everybody knows the
schoolyard truth about caving in to bullies -- you just keep getting
picked on.
Re Abrene: the issue of signing it away aside, one of the most
troubling aspects of the deal was the lack of coordination of our
approach with Estonia. I _don't_ see the Border Agreement as a foreign
policy coup; it is more of a saga of changing positions and
ineptitude. We needed to append a declaration, and then we decided we
didn't need to append a declaration.
Finally -- I definitely think keeping our distance would be the best
course. To put it bluntly -- I don't _want_ a warm relation****p with
Russia -- not with this Russia, USSR-2 as Pabriks calls it. A warmer
relation****p means closer ties, especially economic ties. It's not
just a problem of the sort of political baggage attached to such ties
by the Russians -- it's a matter of the weakness of _our_ society and
_our_ politicians. Not a few would sell their mothers for gas or
hockey, without even a second thought.
Vysu lobu,
/P
http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
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