"Anton" <anton.usenet@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> ostap_bender_1900@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
kirjoitti:
>> On Apr 26, 11:10 am, Anton <anton.use...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>>> What amazes me is that in junior competitions, Canada always finishes
>>>> 1st, Russia - 2nd, and others never seem to be anywhere near. But
when
>>>> it comes to Olympics played on neutral ice - Russia finishes 4th way
>>>> behind Sweden, Finland and Czech R, and Canada gets drubbed by
>>>> Switzerland and Russia and funishes 8th. Weird.
>
>>> Except for the juniors, you're making things up again:
>>>
>>>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_Hockey_World_Championshipshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey_at_the_Olympic_Games
>>>
>>
>> You are looking up the wromg Wiki pages. here is the official page for
>> the last Olympics. Here is the right one:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_hockey_at_the_2006_Winter_Olympics
>
>>> Canada has one Olympic gold, and with four WC titles is tied for 1st
>>> with the Czechs in number of championships won for the last decade.
>
>> WCs mean very little. Many of the best players cannot participate
>> because they are still working in USA for the NHL.
>
> There are 30 teams and more than 600 players in the NHL. Players from 26
> NHL teams (out of 30) *and* all of the european leagues are available.
>
>>> Russia has zero championships during this same period. So does
Finland,
>>> by the way.
>
>> Who cares about tournaments that don't use best players?
>
> 86% of the NHL players and 100% of the players from european leagues are
> available. Almost all of the best players are available, so you are
> talking rubbish again.
>
>> Like this
>> year, the second best player in the World, Malkin, is likely to miss.
>> So will the best defenceman in the world Gonchar
>
> Gonchar isn't the best defenseman in the world. Nicklas Lidström is.
>
>> and many other top
>> Russian players. maybe even Russia's goalie Nabokov.
>
> Finland is missing the best european goaltender in the world, Miika
> Kiprusoff, and the 2nd best european defenseman, Kimmo Timonen.
>
> Kiprusoff by the way is one of those guys who doesn't participate in
> national contests at all even if he in theory is available. For years
many
> Russians likevise refused to play for Russia (Mogilny, Fedorov,
Larionov)
> even when they were available from the club teams. So applying your
logic:
> < 100% participation by players = 2nd rate tournament.
>
>> What's important is that when all best players are allowed to play,
>> Russia, Finland and Chzech R. have won every game that it played
>> against Canada anywhere in the World outside of North America since
>> 1972, i.e., since their very first meeting 36 years ago.
>
> Yeah, three Olympic tournmants held with all NHL players available,
where
> two outside North America - and euros winning two even with the "biased"
> NHL referees. The sample is so big that you can find a correlation
between
> venue and end result. Uhh.. okay.. mr science. With such unscientific
> conclusions it is impossible to belive your word when you say you are a
> mathematician.
>
>> Even though
>> all these games were reffed by fellow Canadian refs, with few
>> exceptions when fellow American refs were in charge. No European ref
>> was ever allowed to ref these games. Why? The official reason that the
>> NHL gives is that Europeans like you Finns have an incredibly low IQ
>> and cannot produce decent refs.
>
> ALL Finnish referees are part-timers with "real" daytime jobs, so they
can
> be called amateurs. The NHL referees on the other hand are full-time
> professionals.
>
>> My opinion is that this is done to
>> help Canada and USA slash, cross-check, rough and beat up the
>> opponents with the help of the friendly NHL ref.
>
> You are living in the past. The "Broad Street Bullies" days are over.
>
>> No other sport in the world is ruled by such bigotted and ignorant
>
> If there would be such a bias as you suggested how come 1998 and 2006
> medalists were non-Canadian? Proves your theory as bs...
>
> --
> Anton
you both seem to know your hockey. i had no idea that the kipper boycotted
international tournaments. oh well... better for the rest of us :)
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