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May 8, 12:27 am, "captain." <spammersmust...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> i remember once, when i made the comment that georgia and russia have a
> history of conflict, i was called a liar by a mister v. karlamov and it
> was
> demanded that i provide all of the examples from history where this
> happened.
>
> hmmm... now where should i begin?
>
There is no way to predict where *you* will begin, but I would begin
at the beginning, with the Treaty of Georgievsk, in which Russia, per
Georgia's request, assumed the obligation of protecting the fellow
orthodox Christians of Gerogia from the islamic powers that kept on
destroying it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Georgievsk
Treaty of Georgievsk
The Treaty of Georgievsk (Russian: ???????????? ???????, Georgian:
???????????? ????????) established the east Georgian kingdom of Kartli-
Kakheti as a protectorate under suzerainty of the Russian Empire, and
defined the mutual rights and obligations of the two countries toward
each other in 1783.
Terms
Under articles I, II, IV, VI and VII of the treaty's terms, Russia's
empress became the official and sole suzerain of Kartli-Kakheti's
rulers, guaranteeing the Georgians' internal sovereignty and
territorial integrity, and promising to "regard their enemies as Her
enemies" [2]. Each of the Georgian kingdom's tsars would henceforth be
obliged to swear allegiance to Russia's emperors, to sup****t Russia in
war, and to have no diplomatic communications with other nations
without Russia's prior consent.
Given Georgia's history of invasions from the south, an alliance with
Russia may have been seen as the only way to discourage or resist
Persian and Ottoman aggression, while also establi****ng a link to
Western Europe.[3] In the past, Georgia's kings had not only accepted
formal domination by Turkish and Persian emperors, but had
occasionally converted to Islam and sojourned at their capitals. Thus
it was neither a break with Georgian tradition nor a unique
capitulation of independence for Kartli-Kakheti to trade vassalage for
peace with a powerful neighbor. However, in the treaty's preamble and
article VIII the bond of Orthodox Christianity between Georgians and
Russians was acknowledged, and Georgia's primate, the Catholicos,
became Russia's eighth, permanent archbishop and a member of Russia's
Holy Synod.
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After that, look at the list of Georgians who valiantly fought for
their Russian fatherland in all Russia's wars, starting with
Bagration:
Pyotr Bagration
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Russian: ???? ???????? ?????????,
Georgian: ????? ??????????, Petre Bagrationi) (1765 - September 12,
1812) was an ethnic Georgian and descendant of the Georgian royal
family of the Bagrations, and served as a Russian general. His father
was a Georgian prince, Colonel Ivane Bagrationi. His brother Roman
(Revaz) Bagrationi was also a general of the Russian army. Bagration
entered the Russian army in 1782, and served for some years in the
Caucasus. He participated in the Siege of Ochakov (1788), and in the
Polish campaign of 1794. His merits were recognized by Suvorov, whom
he accompanied in the Italian and Swiss campaign of 1799, winning
particular distinction by the capture of the town of Brescia.
In the wars of 1805 Bagration's achievements appeared even more
brilliant. With a small rearguard he successfully resisted the
repeated attacks of forces five times his own numbers at the Battle of
Hollabrunn (1805), and though half his men fell, the retreat of the
main army under Kutuzov was thereby secured. At Austerlitz (2 December
1805) Bagration fought against the left wing of the French army
commanded by Murat and Lannes. He fought bravely and obstinately at
the battles of Eylau (7 February 1807), Heilsberg (11 June 1807) and
Friedland (14 June 1807).
During the Finnish Campaign of 1808, by a daring march across the
frozen Gulf of Finland, Bagration captured the Åland Islands, and in
1809 he led the Russian army against the Turks at the battles of
Rassowa and Tataritza. In 1809 he was promoted to Full General
("General ot Infanterii"). His actions during those years led Leo
Tolstoy to give him a minor role in his novel War and Peace.
In 1812 Bagration commanded the 2nd army of the West, and though
defeated at Mogilev (23 July 1812), rejoined the main army under
Barclay de Tolly, and led the left wing at the Battle of Borodino (7
September 1812), where he received a mortal wound. He died on 12
September, in the village of Simi, which belonged to his aunt.
Tsar Nicholas I had a monument erected in his honour on the
battlefield of Borodino. The general's remains were transferred to the
place where he had fallen and remain there to this day.
Joseph Stalin chose Bagration as the name of the Soviet Union's June
22, 1944, successful offensive that defeated the German Army Group
Centre and drove the forces of Nazi Germany out of what is now
Belarus. After the war, the Soviet Union annexed northern East
Prussia, and the until-then German town of Preußisch Eylau-scene of
the 1807 battle-was renamed Bagrationovsk in his memory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bagration.jpg
Equestrian statue of Bagration in Moscow.
- karla, you are capable of going from decrying georgia as basically
satan's
spawn to loudly proclaiming the everlasting, uninterrupted friend****p
between georgia and russia. today's flavor is "good friends". and that is
constructive, considering that it is im****tant at the present to do
anything
possible to keep relations from getting worse.
i too want to do my part to help keep the peace between russia and georgia
so i am not going to expose you to the raw face of history. instead, i am
going to take a constructive attitude and do my my best not to aggravate
the
situation further. that includes my dealings with russian expats like you,
medvezhnok, etc...
in regards to peace, i am getting the impression that georgia feels
abandoned by its western allies right now; first with nato, now with the
general indifference their situation is illiciting from outsiders. this
can
actually help the chances of keeping the peace in the area because without
anyone to back them up, they *might* not be as aggressive with demands.
what does the freshly inaugurated president of russia have to say about
affairs? the topic of kosovo is likely to be mentioned at some point.
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