On May 9, 10:23=C2=A0am, ostap_bender_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 8, 11:55=C2=A0pm, vello <vellok...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 9, 9:10=C2=A0am, ostap_bender_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 8, 12:27=C2=A0am, "captain." <spammersmust...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > i remember once, when i made the comment that georgia and russia
hav=
e a
> > > > history of conflict, i was called a liar by a mister v. karlamov
and=
it was
> > > > demanded that i provide all of the examples from history where
this
> > > > happened.
>
> > > > hmmm... now where should i begin?
>
> > > There is no way to predict where *you* will begin, but I would begin
> > > at the beginning, with the Treaty of Georgievsk, in which Russia,
per
> > > Georgia's request, =C2=A0assumed the obligation of protecting the
fell=
ow
> > > orthodox Christians of Gerogia from the islamic powers that kept on
> > > destroying it:
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> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Georgievsk
>
> > > Treaty of Georgievsk
>
> > > The Treaty of Georgievsk (Russian:
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=D1=82=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BA=D1=82=D0=B0=
=D1=82, Georgian:
> > >
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=95=E1=83=A1=E1=83=99=E1=83=98=E1=83=A1
=E1=83=A2=E1=83=A0=E1=83=90=E1=83=A5=
=E1=83=A2=E1=83=90=E1=83=A2=E1=83=98) established the east Georgian
kingdom =
of Kartli-
> > > Kakheti as a protectorate under suzerainty of the Russian Empire,
and
> > > defined the mutual rights and obligations of the two countries
toward
> > > each other in 1783.
>
> > > Terms
> > > Under articles I, II, IV, VI and VII of the treaty=E2=80=99s terms,
Ru=
ssia=E2=80=99s
> > > empress became the official and sole suzerain of
Kartli-Kakheti=E2=80=
=99s
> > > rulers, guaranteeing the Georgians=E2=80=99 internal sovereignty and
> > > territorial integrity, and promising to "regard their enemies as Her
> > > enemies" [2]. Each of the Georgian kingdom=E2=80=99s tsars would
hence=
forth be
> > > obliged to swear allegiance to Russia=E2=80=99s emperors, to sup****t
R=
ussia in
> > > war, and to have no diplomatic communications with other nations
> > > without Russia=E2=80=99s prior consent.
>
> > > Given Georgia=E2=80=99s history of invasions from the south, an
allian=
ce with
> > > Russia may have been seen as the only way to discourage or resist
> > > Persian and Ottoman aggression, while also establi****ng a link to
> > > Western Europe.[3] In the past, Georgia=E2=80=99s kings had not only
a=
ccepted
> > > formal domination by Turkish and Persian emperors, but had
> > > occasionally converted to Islam and sojourned at their capitals.
Thus
> > > it was neither a break with Georgian tradition nor a unique
> > > capitulation of independence for Kartli-Kakheti to trade vassalage
for=
> > > peace with a powerful neighbor. However, in the treaty=E2=80=99s
pream=
ble and
> > > article VIII the bond of Orthodox Christianity between Georgians and
> > > Russians was acknowledged, and Georgia=E2=80=99s primate, the
Catholic=
os,
> > > became Russia=E2=80=99s eighth, permanent archbishop and a member of
R=
ussia=E2=80=99s
> > > Holy Synod.
>
> > > //////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
> > > After that, look at the list of Georgians who valiantly fought for
> > > their Russian fatherland in all Russia's wars, starting with
> > > Bagration:
>
> > > Pyotr Bagration
> > > From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
>
> > > =C2=A0Prince Pyotr Ivanovich Bagration (Russian:
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=80 =D0=98=D0=B2=D0=B0=D0=BD=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=B8=D1=87
=D0=91=D0=B0=D0=B3=D1=
=80=D0=B0=D1=82=D0=B8=D0=BE=D0=BD,
> > > Georgian: =E1=83=9E=E1=83=94=E1=83=A2=E1=83=A0=E1=83=94
=E1=83=91=E1=
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=98, Petre Bagrationi) (1765 - September 12,
> > > 1812) was an ethnic Georgian and descendant of the Georgian royal
> > > family of the Bagrations, and served as a Russian general. =C2=A0His
f=
ather
> > > was a Georgian prince, Colonel Ivane Bagrationi. His brother Roman
> > > (Revaz) Bagrationi was also a general of the Russian army.
=C2=A0Bagra=
tion
> > > entered the Russian army in 1782, and served for some years in the
> > > Caucasus. He participated in the Siege of Ochakov (1788), and in the
> > > Polish campaign of 1794. His merits were recognized by Suvorov, whom
> > > he accompanied in the Italian and Swiss campaign of 1799, winning
> > > particular distinction by the capture of the town of Brescia.
>
> > > In the wars of 1805 Bagration's achievements appeared even more
> > > brilliant. With a small rearguard he successfully resisted the
> > > repeated attacks of forces five times his own numbers at the Battle
of=
> > > Hollabrunn (1805), and though half his men fell, the retreat of the
> > > main army under Kutuzov was thereby secured. At Austerlitz (2
December=
> > > 1805) Bagration fought against the left wing of the French army
> > > commanded by Murat and Lannes. He fought bravely and obstinately at
> > > the battles of Eylau (7 February 1807), Heilsberg (11 June 1807) and
> > > Friedland (14 June 1807).
>
> > > During the Finnish Campaign of 1808, by a daring march across the
> > > frozen Gulf of Finland, Bagration captured the =C3=85land Islands,
and=
in
> > > 1809 he led the Russian army against the Turks at the battles of
> > > Rassowa and Tataritza. In 1809 he was promoted to Full General
> > > ("General ot Infanterii"). His actions during those years led Leo
> > > Tolstoy to give him a minor role in his novel War and Peace.
>
> > > In 1812 Bagration commanded the 2nd army of the West, and though
> > > defeated at Mogilev (23 July 1812), rejoined the main army under
> > > Barclay de Tolly, and led the left wing at the Battle of Borodino (7
> > > September 1812), where he received a mortal wound. He died on 12
> > > September, in the village of Simi, which belonged to his aunt.
>
> > > Tsar Nicholas I had a monument erected in his honour on the
> > > battlefield of Borodino. The general's remains were transferred to
the=
> > > place where he had fallen and remain there to this day.
>
> > > Joseph Stalin chose Bagration as the name of the Soviet Union's June
> > > 22, 1944, successful offensive that defeated the German Army Group
> > > Centre and drove the forces of Nazi Germany out of what is now
> > > Belarus. After the war, the Soviet Union annexed northern East
> > > Prussia, and the until-then German town of Preu=C3=9Fisch
Eylau=E2=80=
=94scene of
> > > the 1807 battle=E2=80=94was renamed Bagrationovsk in his memory.
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> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bagration.jpg
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> > As usually, you copy-pasted just parts interesting from your
> > wiewpoint. May I add facts you "forgot" to put in your post.
> > In 1783, Russia and the eastern Georgian kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti
> > signed the Treaty of Georgievsk, according to which Kartli-Kakheti
> > received protection by Russia. This, however, did not prevent Tbilisi
> > from being sacked by the Persians in 1795.
>
> > On December 22, 1800, Tsar Paul I of Russia, at the alleged request of
> > the Georgian King George XII, signed the proclamation on the
> > incor****ation of Georgia (Kartli-Kakheti) within the Russian Empire,
> > which was finalized by a decree on January 8, 1801,[20][21] and
> > confirmed by Tsar Alexander I on September 12, 1801.[22][23] The
> > Georgian envoy in Saint Petersburg reacted with a note of protest that
> > was presented to the Russian vice-chancellor Prince Kurakin.[24] In
> > May 1801, Russian General Carl Heinrich Knorring dethroned the
> > Georgian heir to the throne David Batonishvili and instituted a
> > government headed by General Ivan Petrovich Lasarev.[25]
>
> > The Georgian nobility did not accept the decree until April 1802 when
> > General Knorring compassed the nobility in Tbilisi's Sioni Cathedral
> > and forced them to take an oath on the Imperial Crown of Russia. Those
> > who disagreed were arrested tem****arily.[26]
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> Just like Ulmanis did in Latvia when he declared himself a dictator?
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Hardly. Ulmanis acts in his own homeland, not in some neighbouring
souvereign state one.
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