On May 12, 11:31=A0am, vello <vellok...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> On May 11, 6:51=A0pm, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > vello wrote:
>
> > > Hardly. if you read scb you know I'm for independence of ANY nation.
> > > My problem in particular region is, can 17% of population make
ethnic =
cleansing on others
> > > with help of third party and still talk about souvereignity.
>
> > Georgians didn't make majority also: lets make it simple -
Gamsakhurdia
> > screwed up to such degree that initially neutral local Russians and
> > Armenians during conflict sided up with aborigines. This cannot be
> > fixed. People of Abkhazia found out they can perfectly live without
> > Georgia and they are not coming back. Ever.
>
> It may well be as you say. But it may be also this way that some third
> country (Turkey ? :-)) pushes minority into action against maiority
> promising (and giving) essential military help to rebels - or you
> think 80 000 abkhazians defeated Georgia by themselves?
>
> In 1989 there was 525 000 people in Abkhazia, 240 000 georgians, 93
> 000 abkhazians, 76 500 armenians and 75 000 russians. In 2003 there is
> 216 000 people in total, 46 000 georgians, 94 500 abkhazians, 44 800
> armenians and 23 400 russians. As you see, 3/4 of russians and almost
> half of armenians are also gone. Hardly they leave to sup****t your
> wiew that " initially neutral local Russians and Armenians during
> conflict sided up with aborigines" - they fled "anonymous abkhaz-
> friendly army" almost as fast as georgians.
No, they fled the war, started by invasion of Georgian "armed forces".
You clearly don't understand what it is, to be in a war zone. Take a
volunteer assignment and to to some "hot spot": I am sure, your
opinions will change.
> So, living in exact moment we can say more then 50% from Abkhaz
> population is expelled (80% from georgians, 66% from russians) so no
> one can say there is something to do with "the will of Abkhazian
> people" - maiority of them are outside Abkhazia for now.
> More bright aspect is that historical owners of that piece of land,
> abkhazians, are again owners (and clear maiority) on their homeland. A
> good parallel would be creation of Israel giving them back homeland
> lost 2000 years ago.
>
>
>
> > Those who do not want the place to go to hell stick to the things as
> > they are right now - as a saying go - the bad peace is better than a
> > good war.
> > Except I suspect that if Georgia would have succeeded in its Nato
drive
> > Russia would have provoked a fire just to give Nato an idea what
buffer
> > zone life may be. I doubt very much Euros would like to dodge bullets
> > there and the US has much bigger headaches to take care of.
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