On May 12, 7:21=A0pm, Mikhail Medved <mikhail_b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 12, 11:31=A0am, vello <vellok...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 11, 6:51=A0pm, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > vello wrote:
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> > > > Hardly. if you read scb you know I'm for independence of ANY
nation.=
> > > > My problem in particular region is, can 17% of population make
ethni=
c cleansing on others
> > > > with help of third party and still talk about souvereignity.
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> > > Georgians didn't make majority also: lets make it simple -
Gamsakhurdi=
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> > > screwed up to such degree that initially neutral local Russians and
> > > Armenians during conflict sided up with aborigines. This cannot be
> > > fixed. People of Abkhazia found out they can perfectly live without
> > > Georgia and they are not coming back. Ever.
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> > It may well be as you say. But it may be also this way that some third
> > country (Turkey ? :-)) pushes minority into action against maiority
> > promising (and giving) essential military help to rebels - or you
> > think 80 000 abkhazians defeated Georgia by themselves?
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> > In 1989 there was 525 000 people in Abkhazia, 240 000 georgians, 93
> > 000 abkhazians, 76 500 armenians and 75 000 russians. In 2003 there is
> > 216 000 people in total, 46 000 georgians, 94 500 abkhazians, 44 800
> > armenians and 23 400 russians. As you see, 3/4 of russians and almost
> > half of armenians are also gone. Hardly they leave to sup****t your
> > wiew that " initially neutral local Russians and Armenians during
> > conflict sided up with aborigines" - they fled "anonymous abkhaz-
> > friendly army" almost as fast as georgians.
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> No, they fled the war, started by invasion of Georgian "armed forces".
> You clearly don't understand what it is, to be in a war zone. Take a
> volunteer assignment and to to some "hot spot": I am sure, your
> opinions will change.
Hardly it starts by invasion of Georgian troops. At point zero
Abkhazia was just one part of Georgia, so starting point was when
military acts against central govt start to take place.
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> > So, living in exact moment we can say more then 50% from Abkhaz
> > population is expelled (80% from georgians, 66% from russians) so no
> > one can say there is something to do with "the will of Abkhazian
> > people" - maiority of them are outside Abkhazia for now.
> > More bright aspect is that historical owners of that piece of land,
> > abkhazians, are again owners (and clear maiority) on their homeland. A
> > good parallel would be creation of Israel giving them back homeland
> > lost 2000 years ago.
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