On May 13, 5:21=A0am, Mikhail Medved <mikhail_b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 12, 1:39 pm, vello <vellok...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 12, 7:21 pm, Mikhail Medved <mikhail_b...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 12, 11:31 am, vello <vellok...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On May 11, 6:51 pm, Vladimir Makarenko <vmak...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > vello wrote:
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> > > > > > Hardly. if you read scb you know I'm for independence of ANY
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> > > > > > My problem in particular region is, can 17% of population make
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thnic cleansing on others
> > > > > > with help of third party and still talk about souvereignity.
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> > > > > Georgians didn't make majority also: lets make it simple -
Gamsakh=
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> > > > > screwed up to such degree that initially neutral local Russians
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> > > > > Armenians during conflict sided up with aborigines. This cannot
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> > > > > fixed. People of Abkhazia found out they can perfectly live
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> > > > > Georgia and they are not coming back. Ever.
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> > > > It may well be as you say. But it may be also this way that some
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> > > > country (Turkey ? :-)) pushes minority into action against
maiority
> > > > promising (and giving) essential military help to rebels - or you
> > > > think 80 000 abkhazians defeated Georgia by themselves?
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> > > > In 1989 there was 525 000 people in Abkhazia, 240 000 georgians,
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> > > > 000 abkhazians, 76 500 armenians and 75 000 russians. In 2003
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> > > > 216 000 people in total, 46 000 georgians, 94 500 abkhazians, 44
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> > > > armenians and 23 400 russians. As you see, 3/4 of russians and
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> > > > half of armenians are also gone. Hardly they leave to sup****t your
> > > > wiew that " initially neutral local Russians and Armenians during
> > > > conflict sided up with aborigines" - they fled "anonymous abkhaz-
> > > > friendly army" almost as fast as georgians.
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> > > No, they fled the war, started by invasion of Georgian "armed
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> > > You clearly don't understand what it is, to be in a war zone. Take a
> > > volunteer assignment and to to some "hot spot": I am sure, your
> > > opinions will change.
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> > Hardly it starts by invasion of Georgian troops. At point zero
> > Abkhazia was just one part of Georgia, so starting point was when
> > military acts against central govt start to take place.
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> I think at this point we can close the discussion. As it is well-known
> fact that the hostilities were started by the Georgian side. Read
> something on the conflict first.
You are right, it was a copy-paste case with Chechenia: region of
particular country declares himself independent, govt sent troops into
rebel region.
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> > > > So, living in exact moment we can say more then 50% from Abkhaz
> > > > population is expelled (80% from georgians, 66% from russians) so
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> > > > one can say there is something to do with "the will of Abkhazian
> > > > people" - maiority of them are outside Abkhazia for now.
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