On May 26, 9:51=C2=A0pm, The Black Monk <ch....@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 26, 3:02=C2=A0am, ostap_bender_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 25, 11:22=C2=A0pm, P=C4=93teris Cedri=C5=86=C5=A1 (Peteris
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> > > On 26 Maijs, 09:00, ostap_bender_1...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > On May 25, 1:05 pm, P=C3=A7teris Cedri=C3=B2=C3=B0 (Peteris
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> > > > <cedr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > > > Terry Glavin at the National Post -- an excerpt:
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> > > > This is an intersting analogy, but I don't understand whom the
autho=
r
> > > > equates Bush to: Hitler or Stalin? And when did USA bomb an Iraqi
ci=
ty
> > > > the wqay Hitler bombed Guernica? And what is he equating Al Ghraib
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o?
> > > > Buchenwald?
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> > > > > "This is not just 'George Bush's war.' This is a liberation
strugg=
le.
> > > > > It's a war of resistance against clerical fascism, against the
mos=
t
> > > > > unspeakably brutal kind of misogyny, against tyranny, slavery,
> > > > > illiteracy and oppression. Over the past six years, poll after
pol=
l
> > > > > has provided unequivocal, empirical evidence that the Afghan
peopl=
e
> > > > > want us there to help them win this fight. And the people are
winn=
ing.
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> > > > > "In 2004, only one in 10 Afghans had access to medical services.
N=
ow
> > > > > it's eight in 10. Three out of every four children under the age
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> > > > > five have been immunized against childhood diseases. There are
> > > > > millions of girls attending school now. More than 100,000 women
ha=
ve
> > > > > begun their own small businesses with micro-loans administered
by =
the
> > > > > World Bank -- that sinister institution we progressives are
suppos=
ed
> > > > > to despise.
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> > > > > "Afghanistan is now an embryonic democracy, and one of every
four
> > > > > Afghan MPs is a woman. Just a few years ago, Afghan women
weren't
> > > > > allowed out of doors unless they were accompanied by a man.
Under =
the
> > > > > Taliban, you weren't allowed to watch television, but now there
ar=
e
> > > > > seven national television stations, and all sorts of little
> > > > > newspapers, and 10 universities.
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> > > > > "None of this would have happened if the so-called 'anti-war'
argu=
ment
> > > > > had prevailed. If the ISAF armies just packed up and left, it
woul=
d be
> > > > > back to the Dark Ages again.
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> > > > > "Still, the Afghan people want more, and faster. Last month, to
> > > > > protest the snail's pace of their government's efforts to bring
ar=
med
> > > > > militants to heel, workers in the Herat region launched a
five-day=
> > > > > general strike that came close to shutting down the entire
provinc=
e.
> > > > > What did Canada's left contribute to that effort? Nothing.
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> > > > > "Last November, 10-year-old Alaina Podmorow got together with 18
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> > > > > her fellow Grade 5 pupils in British Columbia's Okanagan Valley,
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nd
> > > > > they raised enough money to pay the salaries of five Afghan
> > > > > schoolteachers for a whole year. How is it that in doing this
simp=
le
> > > > > thing, Alaina and her young comrades, in the space of a few
weeks,=
> > > > > made a greater contribution to the liberation of the Afghan
people=
> > > > > than the combined efforts of the NDP, the Canadian Labour
Congress=
and
> > > > > the Canadian Federation of Students, over the past seven years?
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> > > > > "It's a long story. It's at least partly because cultural
relativi=
sm
> > > > > has eaten away at the principle of universal rights -- which was
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nce
> > > > > the bedrock of left-wing politics --and a crude and paranoid
anti-=
> > > > > Americanism has come to serve as a substitute for rational,
> > > > > progressive analysis. By Sept. 11, 2001, the politics of
solidarit=
y
> > > > > had been eclipsed by the politics of the counterculture, and so
th=
e
> > > > > main ranks of the left settled into a comfortable and familiar
> > > > > Sixties' narrative: It's the Third World vs. American empire."
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> > > > >http://www.nationalpost.com/story.html?id=3D533347
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> > > > > I got there through "But, I am a Liberal!" --
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> > > > >http://butiamaliberal.blogspot.com/2008/05/internationalism.html
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> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > /P
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> > > > >http://lettonica.blogspot.com/
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> > > Wrong country, Karlamov.
>
> > Then please explain the analogy between the Spanish Civil War and the
> > Invasion and Occupation of Iraq. Here is a summary of both:
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> > 1. In Spain, a left-wing block was democratically and freely elected.
> > The right wing didn't like this and, aided by Hitler's Nazi Germany,
> > started a civil war. Stalin came to the aid of the legal Spanish
> > government. Western countries declared their neutrality in the
> > conflict, hoping that Hitler wins. Communists, anti-Nazis, and
> > socialists from all over the world joined USSR in defending Spain, but
> > in vain: they were defeated by Franco and Hitler, and a fascist
> > dictator****p was installed for the next 40-50 years. =C2=A0Those
America=
ns,
> > who fought as volunteers in Spain defending democracy, returned home
> > to America, where they were persecuted by the FBI and other government
> > agencies for fighting on the wrong side.
>
> Spain's left-wing democratic government was undermined and ultimately
> taken over by Stalinists whose "Chequa" was more brutal than Franco
> (who yes, was bad, but clearly a lesser evil, like Pinochet).
>
But it was democratically elected, wasn't it?
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> =C2=A0Spain
> under Franco was far more free than Brezhnev's USSR, not to mention
> Stalin's (which is what Spain would have resembled had Franco lost -
> Spain's Stalinists were well on their way to eliminating the
> anarchists and socialists). =C2=A0Western volunteers in Spain, John
Reeds,=
> were at best naive. =C2=A0Spain should be forever grateful that their
> Kornilov was successful.
>
But can anybody why this idiotic author compares the latest war in
Afghanistan to the Spanish Civil War? And whose side is the author on?
And whom does he equate USA's role in Afghanistan? To that of Hitler
or of Stalin?
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> > 2. USA lied to the world that Saddam had WMDs and was allies with Al
> > Qaeda, and invaded Iraq under this pretext, conquered iraq, disbanded
> > police and army, which led to a complete lawless chaos and a brutal
> > civil war, in which about 1 million people have perished so far. The
> > Pope refers to these actions as the "humanitarian disaster".
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