On May 9, 12:23 pm, koolfireii...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> On May 9, 11:53 am, Javed Iqbal Kaleem <JavedIqbalKal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> wrote:
>
> > On May 9, 4:38 am, nkdatta2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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> > > On May 8, 2:40 am, koolfireii...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
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> > > > On May 8, 9:58 am, Javed Iqbal Kaleem <JavedIqbalKal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
w=
rote:
> > > > There is no provision for that in the Indus river water treaty,you
b=
uild a dam
> > > > downstream,or divert,the source will get cut off by India,THE
ORIGIN=
OF ALL
> > > > RIVERS FLOWING INTO PAKISTAN IS REGULATED IN INDIA,Pakistan is a
> > > > downstream country,like everything else which has to do with India
P=
akistan
> > > > issues,you are always in the down position.Indians are on the top.
>
> > > Three of the four provinces of Pakistan are opposed to the Kalabagh
> > > dam. In fact, legislators of these 3 provinces have already passed
> > > resolutions opposing the dam.
>
> > > Only Punjab is pu****ng for it, primarily because the project is for
> > > the benefit of military officials most of whom hail from a few
> > > districts in Punjab. The reclaimed land, even in Sindh, go to
military=
> > > officials from Punjab.
>
> > > The concern is that the dam would submerge large swathes of fertile
> > > Peshawar valley in Pashtunkhwa and deprive Sindh and Balochistan
> > > provinces of their due shares of the Indus waters.
>
> > >
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> > >http://www.dawn.com/2008/04/23/top9.htm
>
> > > DAWN, Karachi, Pakistan
> > > April 23, 2008 Wednesday Rabi-us-Sani 16, 1429
>
> > > .....Ms Jamani and some of her other colleagues argued the project
> > > should not be taken up after resolutions passed by the provincial
> > > assemblies of Sindh, NWFP and Balochistan against it and called for
> > > implementing alternative plans......
>
> > > .....=93We will not let Kalabagh dam be built,=94 PPP=92s Shagufta
Jam=
ani
> > > said angrily after PML-N member Chaudhry Ejaz Virk picked up Mr
> > > Wattoo=92s theme by saying the proposed dam could be called
=93Quaid-i=
-
> > > Azam Dam=94 as a way of appeasing its it would submerge large
swathes =
of
> > > fertile Peshawar valley in the North West Frontier Province and
> > > deprive Sindh and Balochistan provinces of their due shares of the
> > > Indus watersopponents, who actually argue against the project over
> > > fears ......
>
> > >
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> > > > > > On May 7, 3:53 pm, Tambi Dude <tambid...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > You are traitor of Muslim Ummah and Bangladesh . You are
li=
cking toes
> > > > > > > > of Indians who are bent upon killing Banglade****s daily.
By =
blocking
> > > > > > > > water of Banglade****
> > > > > > > > rivers, they want to starve you. But as a shameless beggar
y=
ou are
> > > > > > > > licking their toes. I do not care for such conscienceless
p=
ersons.
>
> > > > > > > > Javed Iqbal
>
> > > > > > Punjab has been depriving Sindh of water for a long time.
Pakist=
an
> > > > > > wants to make new and large Dams and canals for retired army
off=
icials
> > > > > > on Indus river. Kalabagh dam & Greater Thal canal are good
examp=
les.
> > > > > > There is a petition on line that can be signed to protest the
> > > > > > injustice to Sindh.
>
> > > > > > Go to:http://www.petitiononline.com/sindhu/petition.html
>
> > > > > > Here's the petition:
>
> > > > > > Stop illegal constructions of Kalabagh dam & Greater Thal
canal
>
> > > > > > To: World Bank, Asian Bank & UNO
>
> > > > > > Pakistan wants to make new and large Dams and canals for
retired=
army
> > > > > > officials on Indus river. Due to atrocities of province of
Punja=
b now
> > > > > > Sindh is facing deadly shortage of water. In fact Punjab theft
t=
he
> > > > > > water of Sindh continously through centuries. In 1945 an
accord =
was
> > > > > > made in the period of Birtish rule. Now Punjab doing human
right=
s and
> > > > > > accord violations and making forcibly with the help of army,
mor=
e
> > > > > > large Dams and Canals on Indus river. "The term 'historic
share'=
of
> > > > > > water has no history. This term has never been used even in
the
> > > > > > context of the 1991 Water Accord. However, when the
deliberation=
s on
> > > > > > the Water Accord were going on in 1991, the ap****tionment of
wat=
er
> > > > > > between Punjab and Sindh had to be decided. The committee
decide=
d to
> > > > > > take the average of water ap****tioned between Punjab and Sindh
f=
rom
> > > > > > 1977 to 1982 for the sake of an exercise just to determine the
a=
mount
> > > > > > required to be ap****tioned. But irrigation officials of the
Punj=
ab
> > > > > > regarded it as their 'historic share' of water. According to
the=
> > > > > > calculation of the so-called 'historic' right on water, the
Punj=
ab was
> > > > > > awarded 48 MAF while Sindh got 46 MAF. But, when the 1991
Water =
Accord
> > > > > > was finalised, Sindh was awarded 48.76 MAF of water. It is
besid=
es the
> > > > > > point that the Punjab got a greater quantity of water in the
acc=
ord,
> > > > > > 55.94 MAF (almost 56 MAP.) Even then, the Punjab was not happy
t=
o see
> > > > > > that as per the 1991 Water Accord, Sindh was drawing more
water =
than
> > > > > > the Punjab had been consuming during the years 1977 to 1982,
i.e=
.., 48
> > > > > > MAF. Basing the distribution of waters on the 'averages' of
> > > > > > exaggerated flow of the Sindhu Darya, was bound to lead to a
maj=
or
> > > > > > confrontation between the upper and lower riparian. The waters
f=
lowing
> > > > > > down the Sindhu vacillates between 104 MAF and 80 MAF. How can
> > > > > > ap****tionment be based on the average of such a wide
difference =
in
> > > > > > real flows. Surely, water ap****tionment depends on need. As
the =
Sindhu
> > > > > > Darya is the only source of water for Sindh, this province
must =
be
> > > > > > given its actual share specially during times of severe
shortage=
s.
>
> > > > > > The Punjab, during the downswing of the cycle, has complete
cont=
rol of
> > > > > > the waters in the Jhelum and Chenab rivers. In addition, the
upp=
er
> > > > > > riparian have sweet ground water reserves of 300 MAF which
they =
can
> > > > > > draw on in times of shortages. Taking this reality into
account,=
the
> > > > > > 1945 Sindh-Punjab water agreement gave 75 per cent of the
Darya'=
s
> > > > > > waters to Sindh. The Punjab, through its infamous link canals,
c=
ould
> > > > > > only draw water from the Sindhu during the peak flood season.
Th=
at is
> > > > > > all. Last year, during Nawaz Sharif's chauvinist rule, his
provi=
nce
> > > > > > unilaterally opened the link canals in late May - early June
whi=
ch
> > > > > > negatively affected agricultural output income in Sindh. This
sh=
ould
> > > > > > have given the upper riparians enough sense to see the logic
in
> > > > > > the1945 Water Agreement. But, then, theft based on greed has
its=
own
> > > > > > perverted logic, which if repeated often enough will be
believed=
..(By:
> > > > > > Anwar Pirzado)
> > > > > > The quantity of even 10 maf provisionally allocated under the
ac=
cord
> > > > > > is available only for 24 out of 72 years as calculated under
the=
> > > > > > title, 'Kharif availability'. Thus it is clear that the
required=
> > > > > > quantity of water for the substance of the environment cannot
be=
come
> > > > > > available under the cir***stances. It is not possible that
this
> > > > > > position can be improved by denying the
allocations/commitments =
of the
> > > > > > operational projects or by leaving the storages unfilled.
Howeve=
r, it
> > > > > > is im****tant that at least further deterioration in the
ecologic=
al
> > > > > > conditions must be prevented. The best that can be done to
save =
the
> > > > > > environment from complete devastation is to plan future
projects=
so
> > > > > > that the minimum required discharge of 300,000 cusecs is
availab=
le for
> > > > > > outflow to sea at least for as much time as it is available,
aft=
er
> > > > > > meeting the current Kharif demand. (By: Zulfiqar Halepoto)
>
> > > > > > Pakistan grows around 18 million tons of wheat per year and
impo=
rts
> > > > > > roughly 2 million tons. The average yield per acre is 0.81
tons
> > > > > > against 0.97 tons in neighbouring India and 0.87 tons for the
wo=
rld.
> > > > > > So is it for each and every crop in Pakistan. A few
administrati=
ve
> > > > > > steps like streamlining the supply of quality seed at proper
tim=
e;
> > > > > > sparing a pittance for research on improved seeds in our
excelle=
nt
> > > > > > agricultural universities; eliminating the use of spurious
pesti=
cides,
> > > > > > making fertilizers available at affordable rates and mounting
a
> > > > > > dedicated training campaign for our Haris in the proper use of
> > > > > > pesticides and fertilizers, could increase the yield per acre,
w=
hile
> > > > > > costing only a fraction of the Rs. 500 billion needed for the
Ka=
labagh
> > > > > > dam. And this is only the empirical side. The effect on our
agra=
rian
> > > > > > society and agricultural economy when all these concerted
inputs=
are
> > > > > > applied at the designated sectors will be tremendous. Of the
105=
MAF
> > > > > > at present made available at the canal heads an estimated 60%
is=
lost
> > > > > > through eva****ation and seepage as follows: 15 MAF is lost in
ma=
jor
> > > > > > river beds, 10 MAF in canals and minors, 10 MAF in
watercourses =
and 25
> > > > > > MAF on farms. (By: Abrar Kazi)"
>
> > > > > > We strongly appeal to World bank, Asian bank & UNO, help us to
s=
top
> > > > > > atrocities and violations of accord of 1945 from the side of
Pun=
jab.
> > > > > > If kalabagh dam and Greater Thal canal will be build, Sindh
prov=
ince
> > > > > > will be in danger, due to destruction of Indus delta and
deadly
> > > > > > shortage of water.
>
> > > > > > To sign the petition,
visit:http://www.petitiononline.com/sindhu=
/petition-sign.html?
>
> > > > > > > That's all a true muslim is capable of. Declare other muslim
a=
s a
> > > > > > > traitor
> > > > > > > and if possible behead him. No wonder Javed told me that he
ha=
tes
> > > > > > > Irfan Hussain of Dawm, Reza Azmi, Pervez Hoodhboy etc.
>
> > > > > > > Why would India block Bangladesh water. If we had to do it
we =
would
> > > > > > > done to Pakistan. Remember all Pak rivers start from Indian
ka=
shmir.
> > > > > > > Kahani khatam. Pakistan over.
> > > > > > > I wish we do that. pakistan can go to seventh century arab
day=
s when
> > > > > > > they use to clean their ass by stones.
>
> > > > > These are a few mis-guided elements who do get rejected in
polls.
> > > > > Pakistan will soon construct a large dam to store its huge water
> > > > > resources and produce electricity.
>
> > > > > Javed Iqbal Kaleem
>
> > We Pakistanis are an open nation and we discuss our problems
> > threadbare in the National Assembly, unlike India where problems of
> > underprivileged dalits and smaller provinces are never discussed.
>
> > Since NK Dutta and his sup****trers have lost the argument they are now
> > indulged in invectives showing from which gutter of Indian slum they
> > belong.
>
> > Javed Iqbal Kaleem
>
> What national assembly,you have been living under military rule,you
> have the chief justice of Pakistan removed by open discussion in so
> called national assembly,choothia before you open your gob have
> brains,what ever arguments you pakis won or lost to THE Indian's,are
> open in this forum.
>
> You as usual claim victory after defeat,remember how you claimed gen
> a.k.k Niazi did not surrender,and you won the e.Pakistan war,remember
> the referendum elections Pervez mushy conducted, where he won votes by
> 101% of the votes polled,remember how he became prez now making the
> falthu representatives elect him before dissolving the time lapsed
> assembly.
>
> You Pakis are collective chuthias of the first order,you are a open
> nation and discuss threadbare,my foot....Who killed Benazir is still
> under discussion,60 Years of failure to take 1 inch of Kashmir is
> under discussion,arse kicking in Kargil is under discussion,America
> operating in Waziristan is under discussion.......Pakistan is a failed
> nation,discuss that threadbare.
The FACT we were discussing is stark poverty of Indian m***** due to
corruption of the politicians and bureaucrats an callousness of its
intellectual class. Instead of discussing the subject and bringing
forward their reasoning, they start accusing Pakistan Military,
because it is the solid block that restricts Indian desires of
domination. We have had military rule when required. But the interest
of any province, small or big was never compromised. Whenever the
National Assembly comes into being, it starts deliberating national
issue. But in spite of full time democracy Indian m***** are suffering
of poevrty, hunger and destitution, because each Indian class is
selfishly filling its never filling safe. The mahajans of India and
loan sharks of Jewery are identically anti-human.
Javed Iqbal Kaleem
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