On May 10, 7:32=A0am, Javed Iqbal Kaleem <JavedIqbalKal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On May 10, 1:34 am, koolfireii...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On May 9, 11:38 pm, nkdatta2...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On May 9, 11:16 am, Javed Iqbal Kaleem <JavedIqbalKal...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > wrote:
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> > > > This is an old data.
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> > > And why is it old data? Because Jamaat-e-Islaami said so?
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> > > Transparency Internationa has been issuing an update of its report
> > > every year. The data that I posted is for the year 2007. And now
that
> > > it is 2008, we'll have an update of the data in the fall of 2008.
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> > > > And it is never considered =A0authentic because it
> > > > is a CIA sponsored site.
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> > > And who told you that it is a CIA sponsored site? Jamaat-e-Islaami's
> > > Aameer?
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> > > Transparency International's methodologies are quite transparent.
> > > Javed Iqbal Kaleem can find out exactly how and when the data was
> > > collected and how they were analyzed and who did the analysis.
That's
> > > about as transparent as it gets.
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> > > In fact, if it were indeed CIA sponsored, Pakistan's corruption
would
> > > have been white-washed because, whatever General Pervez Musharraf
> > > might do on the sly, he has been doing his best to be on the right
> > > side of CIA.
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> > > > Why you are shying away from the latest
> > > > figures of corruption quoted by me. Can you dare refute those
figure=
s?
> > > > Can you prove them wrong.
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> > > I don't have to refute figures by something that calls itself
> > > Alibaba!! And how exactly did this Alibaba manage to get data about
> > > Swiss bank deposits? Is it in CIA's payroll?
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> > > Transparency International makes it very clear how the data is
> > > obtained. In Pakistan, for example, there is Transparency
> > > International Pakistan to do the data collection.
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> > > > If not, then admit that India is by far the
> > > > most corrupt country in the world =A0and paid agents like you are
> > > > handmaid of the ruling classes in India. Shame on you! Can
somebody =
be
> > > > so callous for ones own countrymen?
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> > > > Javed Iqbal Kaleem
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> > > Javed Iqbal Kaleem's desperation is all too apparent if he must
quote
> > > something like Alibaba over Transparency International!!
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> > > Transparency International provides transparency regarding source of
> > > data, methodology of coming up with CPI and identities of scholars
who=
> > > did that. No one needs to refute Kaleem's puerile temper tantrums.
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> > > Alibaba, my foot!
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> > alibaba is a chinese =A0trade site,the figures quoted about black
money
> > is quoted by a girl named Depali Bakshi alias nick
> > =A0Anshu,god knows where she got the figures,there is no way of
> > authentication the same,for all i know she must have dreamt it up.
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> >http://resources.alibaba.com/topic/288746/Black_Money_in_Swiss_bank.htm
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> > the profile of the author anshu is.
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> > Resources Member Profile
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> > Anshu
> > OfflineName: DeepaliBakshi
> > Nickname: Anshu
> > Member Since: Jun,2006
> > Sex: Female
> > From: India
> > Member Type: Free Member
> > Member Value Points: 8,835 (What are Value Points?)
> > Personal Message: Weaving, Warp and Weft with relations
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> > Unsubscribe Resources Notification Emails: No
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> > Email this page Bookmark
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> > > > > Transparency International is Berlin based and is the
internationa=
lly
> > > > > acknowledged authority on the subject of corruption. Pakistan
has =
been
> > > > > quite consistently recognized by it as among the most corrupt
nati=
ions
> > > > > on earth.
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> > > > > In fact, the actual corruption in Pakistan is way worse than
revea=
led
> > > > > by Transparency because Pakistan's center of corruption is its
> > > > > military which has powerful allies who have a vested interest to
h=
ide
> > > > > the full extent of Pakistan's exceedingly high level of
corruption=
..
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> > > > > As is to be expected, nations ruled under military boots usually
t=
end
> > > > > to be more corrupt than those that have a tradition of rule by
> > > > > democracy where peaceful transitions in governments is the norm
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ther
> > > > > than the exception.
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> > > > > In South Asia, Pakistan and Afghanistan are significantly more
cor=
rupt
> > > > > than, say, India & Sri Lanka. Here's Pakistan's standing in
corrup=
tion
> > > > > according to Berlin based Transparency International in terms of
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he
> > > > > cpi (Corruption Perception Index):
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> > > >
>http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/200=
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> > > > > TI 2007 Corruption Perceptions Index
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> > > > > Nation =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Rank =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 CPI
> > > > > Denmark =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A09.6
> > > > > Japan =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A017 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A07.6
> > > > > USA =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A020 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A07.2
> > > > > Israel =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 30 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A06.4
> > > > > India =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A072 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A03.5
> > > > > China =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 72 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A03.5
> > > > > Sri Lanka =A0 =A0 94 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A03.2
> > > > > Iran =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0131 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02.5
> > > > > Nepal =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 131 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A02.5
> > > > > Pakistan =A0 =A0 138 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2.4
> > > > > Bangladesh 162 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 2.0
> > > > > Afghanistan 172 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A01.8
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> Indians are so nervous that instead of digging out facts and coming
> out with clear rebuttal they are objecting to the source. In India
> itself a little known site TEHALKA.INTERNATIONAL had taken the ground
> from under the feet of Indian military bureaucracy, by offering bribe
> to a major general, who had accepted the bait and took Rs 40,000 as
> bribe. The whole transaction was recorded and replayed. =A0Alibaba is a
> nickname used to save the well meaning people from the wrath of Indian
> government.
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> I am declaring here that unless the Indian Government accepts its
> guilt and begs for pardon and promises to return the amount back to
> Indian people, I shall continue posting facts and figures about Indian
> corruption. Can you believe the callousness of Indian officials.
> People are suffering from hunger and destitution and they are
> gathering money in Swiss Banks for their coming generations. But the
> Jewish bankers are no fools. They will never like to refund the
> colossal sums =A0held until dollar
> becomes as worthless as the paper on which it is printed.
>
> Javed Iqbal Kaleem
Wow! A Bheeshma-like vow! I really dig it! Our "brave journalist" for
the Daily Junk, "Lahori Haleem" is on a crusade against corruption,
and that too in India. Really really cool! I am sure that the "hungry
and destitute" in India will look upon you as a latter-day Messiah.
Please continue to post "facts and figures". The grateful "Generals"
of Pakistan will surely pad your Swiss bank balance, and I will be
grateful for the free entertainment. However, too much haleem is known
to induce stupor.
Dinesh
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